Typical Example of Satanic conditioned Ignorance on the Internet

[brandon dean]

I know this is only my second post here, but c'mon.  I really can't believe this New Age bullshit is even getting the time of day.  If this dude wants to live in his own little delusional, elitist world where everyone else is satanic, let him.  To be honest, he just sounds like every other attention whore I've ever encountered.  

Peace

haha of course you're totally right, but this is entertaining.  especially when he gets someone to play devil's advocate for him.

believe me though, I've been being entertained by this asshat for about a year, and he never gives up..  we're all satanists, don't you know?

ray wants me to ban him so he'll have another notch on his cross of self-martyrdom...  that's what makes this entertaining...

[kashmoney]

Re: Typical Example of Satanic conditioned Ignorance on the Internet

Ka-sha, You have certainly hit the ground running, haven't you?  You share the brunt of attack upon any mirror of Truth.

Thanks. While I am a quick learner I have to come clean in admitting that I've had practice in debating this very concept with my friends for some time now. It's romantic to think that here in the land where Plato and Socrates once conversed we still carry on that tradition. And it's true...we do, all the time! I'm still here though because I see your point in trying to get the message across but I'll only address those worthy of addressing. The thing is though, this is getting boring, as some people here just don't understand. In comparison, debating about this here in Athens is a walk in the park as people know how to engage in conversations with civility. I don't want to depress you, but we have conversations on a whole other level. I'm sure you'd enjoy addressing such issues as whether priests (a paid gov't job in Greece) exist purposely to block or convince us we cannot have a direct relationship with God, what texts Constantine purposely leave out when they canonized the books of the bible, and why; and the effect of drugs - if they reprogram the brain in such a way that the voice of the inner can no longer speak clearly to us. Yesterday, while out for lunch we discussed the voice of consciousness and how loudly it speaks within the criminal mind.

This morning, with another friend he proposed (after hearing of my new insight) that foraging into the inner is dangerous because we may actually have several voices speaking to us, not all of them pure and good. A couple months ago, while speaking with a very dear friend overseas, he advised I be careful at this stage of my spiritual development for this very reason. The former claims that it's best we do this through a medium (i.e. a priest) and that it's dangerous to engage in deep prayer/meditation when you're not ready. For the sake of the lurkers out there, I'd like to ask here on the forum what your insight is on this topic. Just so you know, I rebutted by stating that our intake of stimulants and level (and source) of 'noise' (i.e. the media) has a profound effect on how we interpret the message - that the message is still the Truth.

[kashmoney]

For putting in the Biblical scriptures, those words are not of 'other men' as you claim but the very words of God Himself who only used men to communicate His written word.

Look, she doesn't know the history of what happened in the Eastern Roman empire, much less the meaning of the word 'canonization', or how 'His written word' came about or who wrote it.

I don't even think Christ would have bothered! I'm not going to waste my time or energy, and I refuse to feel guilty about it!

[brandon dean]

Re: Typical Example of Satanic conditioned Ignorance on the Internet

Ka-sha, You have certainly hit the ground running, haven't you?  You share the brunt of attack upon any mirror of Truth.

Thanks. While I am a quick learner I have to come clean in admitting that I've had practice in debating this very concept with my friends for some time now. It's romantic to think that here in the land where Plato and Socrates once conversed we still carry on that tradition. And it's true...we do, all the time! I'm still here though because I see your point in trying to get the message across but I'll only address those worthy of addressing. The thing is though, this is getting boring, as some people here just don't understand. In comparison, debating about this here in Athens is a walk in the park as people know how to engage in conversations with civility. I don't want to depress you, but we have conversations on a whole other level. I'm sure you'd enjoy addressing such issues as whether priests (a paid gov't job in Greece) exist purposely to block or convince us we cannot have a direct relationship with God, what texts Constantine purposely leave out when they canonized the books of the bible, and why; and the effect of drugs - if they reprogram the brain in such a way that the voice of the inner can no longer speak clearly to us. Yesterday, while out for lunch we discussed the voice of consciousness and how loudly it speaks within the criminal mind.

This morning, with another friend he proposed (after hearing of my new insight) that foraging into the inner is dangerous because we may actually have several voices speaking to us, not all of them pure and good. A couple months ago, while speaking with a very dear friend overseas, he advised I be careful at this stage of my spiritual development for this very reason. The former claims that it's best we do this through a medium (i.e. a priest) and that it's dangerous to engage in deep prayer/meditation when you're not ready. For the sake of the lurkers out there, I'd like to ask here on the forum what your insight is on this topic. Just so you know, I rebutted by stating that our intake of stimulants and level (and source) of 'noise' (i.e. the media) has a profound effect on how we interpret the message - that the message is still the Truth.

 

apparently ray and kasha are the only ones here who have studied the "concept" of inner-christ-consciousness.  no one else here has been contemplating the esoteric for their whole lifetimes..

but I guess some people understand the difference between debate and calling everyone who disagrees with you satanists.

none of us can or will take the time to understand poor, misunderstood ray.  he needs you to defend him and validate what he says.

one last time: ray's "concepts" are as old as the hills, and most people here have been thinking about it their whole lives, as opposed to "practicing" with their friends for the last couple years.

but RAY does not want to "discuss" anything--he wants to be revered as a prophet and a martyr, because he has nothing else to hold on to at this point in life.

[kashmoney]

Ray, you can write me an email instead. These assholes don't deserve an iota of attention (and please pardon the expression).

[kashmoney]

f*ck it. i'm not going there.

[Rainchild]

Ray has offered me nothing that I have not heard before or researched before. I've always been open to everything this guy has had to say. He only validates every new age book I've ever read. However unlike most new agers he decides to be incapable of speaking in a coherent language pattern. Instead he speaks in hyperboles and quotes and expressions. He can be understood at times. However if you look at his past topics you'll notice that they were made to incite an argument. In one topic he's said he knew that we'd be shocked about his claim to be a living christ, but he knew we'd debate him anyway and said that anyone who did was a satanist so he was putting us in a loop we could never get out of from the start. In fact he made it very clear in that topic with his terminology that he had no idea at the time that there was a difference between a debate and an argument and he had been confusing the two as being the same.

Kash your very naive to think we're egotists or close minded to not Believe Ray. I am open to everything, but I've learned already that the newage movement, and individual writers like Ray, are full of liars and hypocrites. That's not a generalization that's a fact. I've had to deal with that fact now. Your welcome to continue vindicating everything Ray says. Go ahead and act like his little wind up doll whenever he gets offended. Like I said before though nobody wants to play pretend with you. I know you can see what he's been doing here if you look at his past posts. I know that you can see what Ray really is if you really try, but instead you chose to let your emotions guide you and I don't blame you because you've only been here for a little while.

[kashmoney]

apparently ray and kasha are the only ones here who have studied the "concept" of inner-christ-consciousness.  no one else here has been contemplating the esoteric for their whole lifetimes..

but I guess some people understand the difference between debate and calling everyone who disagrees with you satanists.

And Brandon equates your use of the term 'satanic conditioning' with the action of calling someone a 'satanist'. This is not a discussion or debate, it's pathetic.

[Rainchild]

apparently ray and kasha are the only ones here who have studied the "concept" of inner-christ-consciousness.  no one else here has been contemplating the esoteric for their whole lifetimes..

but I guess some people understand the difference between debate and calling everyone who disagrees with you satanists.

And Brandon equates your use of the term 'satanic conditioning' with the action of calling someone a 'satanist'. This is not a discussion or debate, it's pathetic.

That's where your wrong Kash he has directly called us satanists in his topics before this one. This topic is the exception to the rule. You should really read his past posts before saying things you don't have a clue about.

He directly said to me once before when I disagreed with him

Quote: "How satanist of you"

he is not simply talking about conditioning he sincerely believes that anyone who uses their brain to think in a coherent manner is a satanist worshiping their intellect..

[kashmoney]

apparently ray and kasha are the only ones here who have studied the "concept" of inner-christ-consciousness.  no one else here has been contemplating the esoteric for their whole lifetimes..

but I guess some people understand the difference between debate and calling everyone who disagrees with you satanists.

And Brandon equates your use of the term 'satanic conditioning' with the action of calling someone a 'satanist'. This is not a discussion or debate, it's pathetic.

That's where your wrong Kash he has directly called us satanists in his topics before this one. This topic is the exception to the rule. You should really read his past posts before saying things you don't have a clue about.

He directly said to me once before when I disagreed with him

Quote: "How satanist of you"

he is not simply talking about conditioning.

Yes he is. By saying "How satanist of you" he is referring to your behaviour.

[kashmoney]

Rainchild, quit editing your threads. It's cowardly, just be a man and admit when you change your mind.

[Rainchild]

apparently ray and kasha are the only ones here who have studied the "concept" of inner-christ-consciousness.  no one else here has been contemplating the esoteric for their whole lifetimes..

but I guess some people understand the difference between debate and calling everyone who disagrees with you satanists.

And Brandon equates your use of the term 'satanic conditioning' with the action of calling someone a 'satanist'. This is not a discussion or debate, it's pathetic.

That's where your wrong Kash he has directly called us satanists in his topics before this one. This topic is the exception to the rule. You should really read his past posts before saying things you don't have a clue about.

He directly said to me once before when I disagreed with him

Quote: "How satanist of you"

he is not simply talking about conditioning.

Yes he is. By saying "How satanist of you" he is referring to your behaviour.

That is not the only example Kash.. It is only one example out of many. It did not have to do with behavior it had to do with a disagreement I had with him. I never once offended him with the statement I made.  You have no Idea what your talking about.

[Rainchild]

Rainchild, quit editing your threads. It's cowardly, just be a man and admit when you change your mind.

I changed it as you were posting not after.  I edit my posts when I want to make them clearer. There is nothing "cowardly" about it

[brandon dean]

Ray, you can write me an email instead. These assholes don't deserve an iota of attention (and please pardon the expression).

please pardon what expression?  "iota?"  hahaha such a fucking hypocrite.  you cuss up a storm in other threads, tell me I shouldn't do it, then try to play the saint by begging pardon for saying "asshole."  hahahahah you're way too transparent, little girl...

so convenient that it's ok for kasha to refer to EVERYONE as assholes, and ray can call everyone satanists, but I'm a "jerk" for calling ray a piece of shit.  don't worry---you obviously fell off the last turnip truck too, and landed on ray's logic...

and don't worry, ray doesn't want to actually discuss this with you in a private message--he only wishes to appear the martyr in public.  if there is no public crucifixion to be had, ray ain't having any...  he's trying very hard to stay civil with you, but just you wait.  eventually you're going to say something "satanist" and he's going to tell you what you believe is evil, and then possibly you'll understand.

we'll just keep being intolerant towards anything that's not within our view.  

and I guess it's redundant to point out that if we were really against freedom of thought, expression, or speech we would have banned both of your ignorant asses a while ago.  but as it is, public humiliation serves the purpose it serves.  the last thing I want the internet to think is that we're just another forum who "couldn't" take ray.


 

[brandon dean]

apparently ray and kasha are the only ones here who have studied the "concept" of inner-christ-consciousness.  no one else here has been contemplating the esoteric for their whole lifetimes..

but I guess some people understand the difference between debate and calling everyone who disagrees with you satanists.

And Brandon equates your use of the term 'satanic conditioning' with the action of calling someone a 'satanist'. This is not a discussion or debate, it's pathetic.

hahaha what's pathetic is you're trying to play like you know something, when ray has posted hundreds of these inane topics since he joined MONTHS AND MONTHS ago.  now, little girl, did YOU read every post he's made at this forum, let alone others?  no, I didn't think so.  I however, HAVE.

next!

[kashmoney]

he sincerely believes that anyone who uses their brain to think in a coherent manner is a satanist worshiping their intellect..

By 'coherent', i.e. logical, what he's referring to is using your brain in light of the conditioning you've been subjected to. And it makes perfect sense, as our thinking is shaped by our environment and the value system we have (which for most is based on what he refers to as 'satanic' conditioning).

If you think you've been unaffected by your environment and the media, then you're letting your ego get in the way of your ability to reason.

[Rainchild]

he sincerely believes that anyone who uses their brain to think in a coherent manner is a satanist worshiping their intellect..

By 'coherent', i.e. logical, what he's referring to is using your brain in light of the conditioning you've been subjected to. And it makes perfect sense, as our thinking is shaped by our environment and the value system we have (which for most is based on what he refers to as 'satanic' conditioning).

If you think you've been unaffected by your environment and the media, then you're letting your ego get in the way of your ability to reason.

You don't even know me Kash so how pray tell did you come to the conclusion that I think that I'm unaffected by the environment? The thing IS I prevent it from affecting me by not looking at mostly anything that could. Again you have no idea what your talking about your just making excuses now and it's not helping you.

[brandon dean]

he sincerely believes that anyone who uses their brain to think in a coherent manner is a satanist worshiping their intellect..

By 'coherent', i.e. logical, what he's referring to is using your brain in light of the conditioning you've been subjected to. And it makes perfect sense, as our thinking is shaped by our environment and the value system we have (which for most is based on what he refers to as 'satanic' conditioning).

If you think you've been unaffected by your environment and the media, then you're letting your ego get in the way of your ability to reason.

ummm, for the record, "logical" is NOT even close to the same thing as "coherent."

has anyone argued that our brains are affected by environment?  that's called "ray" logic---assuming no one knows what you're talking about or understands your lofty philosophies, or your "deeper" understanding of the human psyche, via "discussions" with modern day greek philosophers in the land of philosophy.

well, we don't all have the luxury of being able to channel socrates or plato.  we'll just have to depend on our own deductive reasoning.

maybe "consciousness" will show me its humble maw sometime in the future, eh?

 

[Rainchild]

as anyone argued that our brains are affected by environment?  that's called "ray" logic

Thats also Zeitgeist Addendum logic. It's called the blank slate theory, which believes that everything you know comes from the environment through conditioning, but this idea falls apart when genetics, Jungian psychology, etc come in to play.

[Raven]

Game over. They are both banned. I am not letting this forum become a venue for people's personal and emotional problems. There are rules and they both broke many of them. The first one is giving a coherent fucking reply to legitimate questions without resorting to ad hominem attacks.

I have been patient with this and after input from others have made this decision. That's a lot more consideration than we have given to people who have done far less.

[brandon dean]

Game over. They are both banned. I am not letting this forum become a venue for people's personal and emotional problems. There are rules and they both broke many of them. The first one is giving a coherent fucking reply to legitimate questions without resorting to ad hominem attacks.

I have been patient with this and after input from others have made this decision. That's a lot more consideration than we have given to people who have done far less.

haha don't worry---I was half a slap away from that decision myself.  distractions can be entertaining, but in the end they are distractions from the war at hand...

they can go disrupt as many forums as they wish with their "logic." happy trails!

[Rainchild]

Well I can't say I agree with it considering Ray's agenda, but it's not my decision I guess.

[Haywain]

"you go girl!"

[Raven]

Ray's agenda has nothing to do with this. He has gotten "martyrdom" from many places.The other gets to think about her personal reasons for attacking people.

[Raven]

Ray has attacked everyone at one time or another from his lofty perspective. Kasha has attacked everyone here being unable to reply directly to questions without subterfuge and specious excuses and reasoning which only she can understand, besides Ray of course.

What more is there to say? It's a tag team from a David Lynch film. It isn't meant to make sense. It's meant to evoke guttural responses, not logical ones. Then after provoking members resort to vilifying them for their response.

Fuck these games. We have much more important things to do. They need help. Much more than we can give them.