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« Reply #40 on: November 06, 2009, 08:55:15 PM »

Meanwhile, the top of this article reports that Hasan was making the normal preparations for deployment. He emptied out his apartment, gave away things he didn't want to take with him, and told everyone he was deploying today. Does that sound like a man about to go postal?

No Raven it sounds like someone being setup.
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« Reply #41 on: November 06, 2009, 09:36:45 PM »

Even the usual media whores are having trouble keeping up with this. Some more alternative info on this. Go to the page for numerous links:

http://www.legitgov.org/attack_on_fort_hood_051109.html
Fort Hood Shooting 'Oddities'
By Lori Price, www.legitgov.org Updated: 06 Nov 2009

Fort Hood (and over 100 other .gov and .mils) is reading CLG news for updates.
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'Three people are involved. That, by definition, means it is a conspiracy.'

Curiouser and Curiouser: -Video surfaces of alleged shooter, Major Nidal Hasan, attending Homeland Security conference earlier this year --Major Hasan's name appears on page 29 of The George Washington University Homeland Security Policy Institute's 'Thinking Anew—Security Priorities for the Next Administration' --Proceedings Report of the HSPI Presidential Transition Task Force - April 2008 - January 2009. The report is dated 19 May 2009.

The alleged shooter received his medical degree from the military’s Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md., in 2001 and is a graduate of Virginia Tech. Early on Thursday, he showed no signs of worry or stress when he stopped at 7-Eleven for his daily breakfast of hash browns, said Jeannie Strickland, the store's manager. "He came in (Thursday) morning just like normal," she said, "nothing weird, nothing out of the ordinary." [This is looking more and more psyops-ish by the second. --LRP]

    * White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said earlier that officials were monitoring the incident in the Situation Room. The Department of Homeland Security said it was in the process of obtaining information.
    * Alleged shooter is alive, in stable condition --General Bob Cone:
    * Terror attack 'not ruled out'
    * The alleged shooter graduated from Virginia Tech --His cousin, Nader Hasan, actually laughed in an interview when asked if alleged shooter, Nadal Hasan, was 'violent.' He never went to Iraq.
    * Attack appears to have been carried out by multiple shooters. Two suspects are no longer in custody, but a third person has been picked up for questioned.
    * Sources say Army shooting suspect was due to be deployed to Iraq
    * 42 people shot by Army psychiatrist, promoted to Army Major in May. 12 killed; 30 wounded --US Official: Shooter was Major Malik Nadal Hasan
    * 'The individuals arrested are all US soldiers.'

Second Gunman In Custody At Army's Fort Hood -Report 06 Nov 2009 A second gunman is in custody after a shooting at the Army's Fort Hood in Texas in which at least seven people were killed and 12 wounded, reports KCEN-TV of Waco. The report comes about two hours after a first suspect was captured, shortly after gunfire broke out. Authorities say the gunmen were dressed in fatigues, though it's not confirmed whether they are military personnel. It's also not known if the victims were military personnel or civilians.

Surviving Fort Hood shooting suspect arrested at golf course, officer says Updated 2334 GMT 05 Nov 2009 A senior officer who was playing golf Thursday near Fort Hood, Texas, told CNN he witnessed the arrest of one of the two surviving suspects of the shooting at the Army installation. Shortly after the shooting, the officer said, military police told him to clear the course and he saw other MPs surround the building that held the golf carts, he said. The senior officer said he ducked into a nearby house for cover as 30 to 40 cars carrying MPs approached. He said he saw a soldier in battle-dress uniform, his hands in the air. The MPs ordered him to lie on the ground and open his uniform, presumably to ensure he was not carrying explosives, the senior officer said. He said an MP told him that authorities considered the man to be a suspect in the shootings after having overheard the man say he was with the shooter. The man was surrounded for 25 to 30 minutes, until a convoy of vehicles arrived, led by a Ford Crown Victoria and carrying men in suits, and he was taken away, the senior officer said.

Fort Hood gunman [allegedly] shouted 'Allahu Akbar' as he opened fire --Army psychiatrist remains on ventilator after rampage that killed 13 people and wounded 28 06 Nov 2009 A US army psychiatrist about to be deployed to Afghanistan allegedly shouted "Allahu Akbar", or "God is greatest", as he opened fire at a military base in Texas, killing 13 people and wounding 28. The gunman, Major Nidal Malik Hasan, 39, shouted the Arabic phrase just before he began his shooting spree at Fort Hood military installation yesterday, according to the base commander, Lieutenant General Robert Cone.

Details emerge about Fort Hood suspect's history 06 Nov 2009 Army psychiatrist Nidal Malik Hasan, suspect in the assault that killed 13 people at Fort Hood, Texas, and hurt 30, salved the emotional wounds of troops returning from war even as he objected to his own looming deployment to Afghanistan, where he was to counsel soldiers suffering from stress... Hasan recently was involved in a spat with another Fort Hood soldier residing in his apartment complex, apparently related to his Muslim beliefs. The manager of the complex, John Thompson, said the other soldier, John Van de Walker, allegedly keyed Hasan's car and also removed and tore up a bumper sticker that read "Allah is Love." Thompson said Van de Walker had been in Iraq and was upset to learn that Hasan was Muslim. A report filed with Killeen police on Aug. 16 indicates that Hasan's vehicle, a 2006 Honda Civic, had been scratched by an unknown object causing an estimated $1,000 worth of damage. The report indicates that Van de Walker, 30, was arrested on Oct. 21 and charged with criminal mischief.

Death toll rises to 13 in Ft. Hood shootings --Army officials confirmed that the alleged gunman, Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, was due to be deployed overseas. Hasan, an Army psychiatrist, was shot by a police officer and is hospitalized. 06 Nov 2009 As authorities continue to search for clues on what prompted the shooting Thursday at Ft. Hood, the death toll rose today to 13. Twenty-eight of the 31 people injured in the attack on the nation's largest military base remain hospitalized. The alleged shooter, an Army psychiatrist who was wounded during the attack, is also hospitalized, unconscious and on a ventilator.

Officers raid Texas home of suspect in Fort Hood shootings 06 Nov 2009 Officers raided the apartment of the soldier suspected in the shootings at Fort Hood, Texas, early Friday, searching for clues as to what caused the military psychiatrist to allegedly gun down soldiers he had taken an oath to help, a police spokeswoman said. The alleged gunman, identified as Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, opened fire at a military processing center at Fort Hood, killing 13 and wounding 30 others, Lt. Gen. Robert Cone said... In the nearby town of Killeen, a SWAT team and FBI agents were searching Hasan's apartment to help determine what caused the shooting, which military experts called the worst mass shooting at an American military base, Carol Smith, a Killeen police spokeswoman, said early Friday.

Surveillance video shows Fort Hood suspect before shootings 06 Nov 2009 An owner of a 7-Eleven convenience store in Fort Hood, Texas, said Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan came in for coffee and hashbrowns most mornings, including the day he allegedly shot dozens of soldiers. Surveillance video from the store obtained by CNN shows a man who, according to the store owner, is Hasan at the cashier's counter at about 6:20 a.m. Thursday (7:20 a.m. ET) -- about seven hours before the mass shooting. "He looked normal, came in had his hashbrowns and coffee as you see in the surveillance video," the owner told CNN. Another surveillance video from the store on Tuesday showed the man believed to be Hasan in scrubs... In 2009, Hasan he completed a fellowship in disaster and preventive psychiatry and was assigned to Darnall in July. He had been awarded the National Defense Service Medal, the Global War on Terrorism Service Medal and the Army Service Ribbon, but was never deployed outside the United States.

Motive a mystery after Fort Hood rampage --12 die; gunman remain hospitalized, despite earlier reports 06 Nov 2009 An Army psychiatrist about to be deployed to a combat zone overseas allegedly shot and killed 12 people and wounded 31 in a rampage at this sprawling military post north of Austin on Thursday afternoon. Post officials originally said that the suspected shooter -- Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan -- had been killed, but late in the day said he was wounded and in critical condition at a nearby hospital... Hasan is accused of attacking his fellow soldiers about 1:30 p.m. at the Soldier Readiness Processing Center. Armed with two pistols, he shot more than 40 people before military police and civilian police officers responded, officials said. He was wounded by a civilian policewoman, who was injured in the exchange, police said. Officials had reported earlier that the police officer had been killed. Hasan's motives were unclear, and early on Thursday, he showed no signs of worry or stress when he stopped at 7-Eleven for his daily breakfast of hash browns, said Jeannie Strickland, the store's manager. "He came in (Thursday) morning just like normal," she said, "nothing weird, nothing out of the ordinary." A few hours later, officials said, the Virginia native began his rampage on the post.

Counter-terror plans will be revised to reflect Fort Hood and Afghan attacks [Wow, that was quick!] 05 Nov 2009 (UK) A soldier turning on his comrades at Fort Hood, an Afghan policeman killing the British soldiers who trained him - two uncannily similar events in two days, but incidents which, across the Western world, security authorities have been planning for and dreading. Since the Mumbai attacks counter-terrorism planning has seen a major shift. The shootings in Afghanistan and Fort Hood carry echoes of the attacks in India with the added danger that the enemy has come from within.

AP: Authorities Had Concerns About Suspect Over Internet Postings [Wow, that was quick, too!] 05 Nov 2009 Federal law enforcement officials say the suspected Fort Hood, Texas, shooter had come to their attention at least six months ago because of Internet postings that discussed suicide bombings and other threats. The officials say the postings appeared to have been made by Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, who was killed during the shooting incident that left least 11 others dead and 31 wounded... The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the case. One of the Web postings that authorities reviewed is a blog that equates suicide bombers with a soldier throwing himself on a grenade to save the lives of his comrades.

Suspected Fort Hood gunman graduated from Virginia Tech 05 Nov 2009 The Army psychiatrist suspected of carrying a shooting rampage at Fort Hood, Texas, was born in Virginia and graduated from Virginia Tech University, where he was a member of the ROTC and earned a bachelor’s degree in biochemistry in 1997. Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan had come to the attention of authorities six months ago because of Internet postings that discussed suicide bombings and other threats, law enforcement officials said Thursday... He received his medical degree from the military’s Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md., in 2001. He did his internship, residency and a fellowship at Walter Reed.

Twelve dead as US soldiers go on shooting rampage at Fort Hood military base in Texas 05 Nov 2009 At least 12 people have been killed and more than 30 injured after three US soldiers went on a shooting rampage at the Fort Hood military base in Texas. The Army says one of the gunmen has been killed and two others apprehended and all of the gunmen are US soldiers. Lieutenant General Bob Cone: "A shooter opened fire. That person was killed. At this time, we are looking at 12 dead and 31 wounded. They are dispersed among the local hospitals in this area in Texas. "The shooter was killed. He was a soldier. We since then have apprehended two additional soldiers who are suspects, and I would go into the point that there were eyewitness accounts that there may have been more than one shooter." The massacre happened at a training centre on the sprawling grounds of the largest US military base in the world. One gunman was caught quickly but the others went on the run. Four police officers were shot and wounded before they were arrested. Eyewitnesses said the gunmen were dressed in military uniforms.

12 dead, 30 injured in shootings at Fort Hood --Army psychiatrist was gunman in Texas incident, military officials tell NBC 05 Nov 2009 An Army psychiatrist opened fire Thursday at Fort Hood, Texas, killing 12 people and wounding 30 others before being shot to death, officials told NBC News. Eleven of the victims died at the scene, military officials said. A 12th died later at a hospital, NBC station KCEN-TV of Waco reported.

12 Dead, 31 Wounded in Base Shootings 06 Nov 2009 At least 12 people were killed and 31 wounded Thursday afternoon in a shooting at a military installation in Fort Hood, Texas, according to military spokesmen. Lt. General Bob Cone said in Texas that the shooter was an Army soldier who opened fire in a “readiness facility.” Lt. Gen. Cone confirmed that the shooter had been killed. Two other Army soldiers were in custody as suspects. President Obama said it was "horrifying" that American soldiers would face such a situation at home.

Fort Hood death toll now at 12; gunmen were U.S. soldiers 05 Nov 2009 At least 12 people have been killed and 31 wounded in a shooting at Fort Hood Army Base near Killeen, Texas, when at least one gunmen opened fire on soldiers who were making their final deployment preparations. Lt. Gen. Bob Cone, the commander of III Corps, said that at least one gunman opened fire at the base's Soldiers Readiness Processing Center where soldiers were receiving medical and dental exams prior to deployment. The gunman's fire was returned -- Cone did not say by whom -- and the gunman was killed. Two other soldiers who may have participated in the shootings were arrested in nearby buildings, Cone said. At least one of the dead was a civilian police officer working at the base.
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« Reply #42 on: November 07, 2009, 10:12:10 AM »

Fort Hood Ground Zero for Innovative Mental Health Training
http://blogs.abcnews.com/theworldnewser/2009/11/ft-hoods-has-new-program-to-train-for-emotional-resiliency.html

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...Opened just last month, the Fort Hood Resiliency Campus is the Army’s first such facility. It stretches across a city block on the 340-square mile base, complete with such resort-like amenities as a rock climbing wall, yoga studio, juice bar and classrooms where soldiers are taught to be mentally tough.  Using psychological techniques developed at the University of Pennsylvania, soldiers are trained in weekly 90-minute classes to defuse habitual, frustrating ways of thinking that can add to soldiers’ stress... the Army will require all 1.1 million soldiers to undergo this mental training ...
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« Reply #43 on: November 07, 2009, 01:12:58 PM »

Fort Hood Ground Zero for Innovative Mental Health Training
http://blogs.abcnews.com/theworldnewser/2009/11/ft-hoods-has-new-program-to-train-for-emotional-resiliency.html

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...Opened just last month, the Fort Hood Resiliency Campus is the Army’s first such facility. It stretches across a city block on the 340-square mile base, complete with such resort-like amenities as a rock climbing wall, yoga studio, juice bar and classrooms where soldiers are taught to be mentally tough.  Using psychological techniques developed at the University of Pennsylvania, soldiers are trained in weekly 90-minute classes to defuse habitual, frustrating ways of thinking that can add to soldiers’ stress... the Army will require all 1.1 million soldiers to undergo this mental training ...

Thanks for the info. Good find. Sounds like a robot factory.
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« Reply #44 on: November 07, 2009, 07:21:55 PM »

Before the shooting, my brother was saying "Remember the 5th", but we forgot it was Guy Fawkes Day when the shooting occured.

KoWBoY, did you read this shite?

'Cop Killer' Gun Used In Ft. Hood Shooting, Officials Said
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/cop-killer-gun-thought-ft-hood-shooting/story?id=9019521

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Major Nidal Malik Hasan allegedly packed a FN Herstal Five-seveN tactical pistol, which according to federal law enforcement officials, was legally purchased from the "Guns Galore" shop in Killeen, Texas in Aug. 2009...the benefits of the Five-seveN pistol note that it can "defeat the enemy in all close combat situations in urban areas, jungle conditions, night missions and any self defense action."...The second gun he had with him was a .357 S&W Magnum revolver

Hash Browns, Then 4 Minutes of Chaos
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125750297355533413.html

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...one was a revolver, the other a FN Herstal "Five-seveN"tactical pistol, which one firearms Web site describes as capable of defeating "most body armor in military service around the world today."

I've never heard of this firearm, but of course a "pistol" cannot defeat any armor, it's the ROUND!  Does anyone know about this pistol and it's round or ammunition?

FN Five-seven
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_Five-seven

FN Five-seven
http://www.fnherstal.com/index.php?id=263

What’s All The Fuss About FN’s Five-seveN USG?
http://www.shootingtimes.com/handgun_reviews/fnusg_021207/

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The antigun crowd has set out on yet another witch hunt as once again they're angrily calling for the banning of a firearm. Using stock terms like "no sporting purpose," "cop killer ammo," and "deadly military-style automatic weapon," they've climbed back up onto their soapboxes to enact a ban on one particular firearm. I wondered what firearm could be so evil that we had to run right out and send them all to the bottom of the ocean.

I've not read these links about the pistol...I'm just posting them now and I'm gonna read now.  But all I know is those news articles read like bullshite!

So, does anyone know, is this a similiar cartridge to a .223?  The 5.7x28mm?
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« Reply #45 on: November 07, 2009, 07:37:02 PM »


(From left to right) 5.56, 5.7x28mm SS190, 9x19, .224 BOZ, 7.62x25mm Sabot, 7.62x25mm, 5.45x18mm Soviet, 5.7x28mm SS190, 5.7x28mm SS195 LF.

From David Fortier at the Shooting Times Link above.

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What about the antigun crowd's claims of it being useful only for cop killers? "Nuts," says I. The SS190 load has always been restricted and is shipped from a U.S. Customs controlled warehouse only to military and law enforcement agencies. None has ever been available commercially. The only ammunition available for commercial sale are the sporting-grade 28-grain JHP and the 40-grain V-Max loadings. Neither of these loads is classified as armor piercing by BATFE. In reality a run-of-the-mill .44 Magnum revolver with hunting loads will penetrate deeper in body armor than either of these 5.7x28mm loads...The antigun crowd not wanting me to own one is enough reason to add a USG to my collection.

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The Five-Seven and 5.7x28mm ammunition were the target of brief controversy in the United States in 2004 when it was claimed by the Brady Campaign that commercially available SS192 penetrated a Level IIA vest in testing. However, armor piercing variants of the 5.7x28mm are only offered to law enforcement and military customers. Commercially available variants of the 5.7x28mm cartridge are classified by the ATF as being not armor piercing and it was claimed that the SS192 and SS196 cartridge variants did not penetrate Kevlar vests in tests conducted by FNH USA.

The Five-Seven pistol and 5.7x28mm cartridge were specifically targeted for a U.S. federal ban in 2005, which failed


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« Reply #46 on: November 07, 2009, 07:45:36 PM »

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Fawkes and his revolutionary cohorts set about assassinating King James I and blowing up the Houses of Parliament in a 1604 conspiracy known as the Gunpowder Plot.  They amassed enough gunpowder in a basement near Westminster that they could have basically destroyed that part of London as well as killing nearly the entire membership of the House of Lords, the senior bishops of the Church of England and the royal family. Sadly — depending on your point of view — the plot failed, and Fawkes and his co-conspirators were put to death.

The character of Satan in Milton’s "Paradise Lost" is based on Fawkes, and today we have the word “guy” because of him — “burning the guy” in effigy is a part of how Bonfire Night is celebrated in England. It used to have a pejorative connotation, but this has long been forgotten. Each year in Britain, fireworks and bonfires are set alight, although the original meaning of the holiday — celebrating the scuttling of the plot and sparing the king’s life — has today taken on the opposite sentiment and is seen as more of a harmless anti-government celebration (which is how the day was marked during Revolutionary era American before becoming forgotten on these shores)
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http://www.thisisbrandx.com/2009/11/remember-remember-the-5th-of-november-happy-guy-fawkes-day.html



Fort Hood shootings: gunman used 'cop killer' weapon in massacre at US Army base
The US Army major who carried out the Fort Hood massacre sprayed more than 100 rounds at his comrades using a gun nicknamed the "cop killer."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/6519392/Fort-Hood-shootings-gunman-used-cop-killer-weapon-in-massacre-at-US-Army-base.html

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« Reply #47 on: November 07, 2009, 08:07:27 PM »

"Remember, remember the Fifth of November, the gunpowder, treason, and plot. I know of no reason why the gunpowder treason should ever be forgot."

This all reads like a script full of holes big enough to drop an anvil through, but transparent enough to see why they're doing this. The rounds are not publicly available. But that doesn't matter to these morons.

If common sense were to prevail in any of these gun grabber's discussions, the fact that NO ONE but the criminals were armed should be enough to convince them that having weapons is a great deterrence to killers. But nooooo.

But what the fuck do we know? They fail to see the obvious. Disarming the general public invites more and more mass shootings. Even on a military base where the victims were basically sitting ducks. They're going to get a lot of mileage out of this one.

These bastards had their talking points lined up for them long before the "facts" came out. Why am I NOT surprised?

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« Reply #48 on: November 07, 2009, 08:16:01 PM »

http://whatreallyhappened.com/


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OH COME ON NOW, THIS IS JUST PLAIN FUCKING SILLY!!!!!!!!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/6521758/Fort-Hood-shooting-Texas-army-killer-linked-to-September-11-terrorists.html


Major Nidal Malik Hasan worshipped at a mosque led by a radical imam said to be a "spiritual adviser" to three of the hijackers who attacked America on Sept 11, 2001.


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« Reply #49 on: November 07, 2009, 08:16:54 PM »

Michael Rivero's bullshit meter HAHAHAH just exploded!
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