Jeff Rense's Statement: Regarding The Alex Jones Issue

[trixi1]

http://www.rense.com/general85/issue.htm

Regarding The Alex Jones Issue
Jeff Rense
3-31-9

Those who know me and understand the enormous effort involved in presenting news and inquiry, fully-realize I do not threaten people. It is anathema to me and all that I stand for. The issues involved in the current controversy are virtually insignificant to the pressing mandate of confronting and exposing the enemy attacking what's left of our Liberty, our Constitution and our very way of life. I have not gone to court for a restraining order against Mr. Jones, nor have I filed formal charges against anyone. A police report and case number are far different and are employed to simply make formal note of an event. The critical nature of the crisis confronting the patriot community and our Republic requires the full energies of all of us, and I therefore consider the current issue closed. As I always have, I wish the Jones family and all honorable Americans health, wellness and security, just as I do for my own family. Both Mr. Jones and myself have been the recipients of many death threats over the years and I have now received even more to add to that sorry total. In bringing this matter to a close, I have removed my private reply to a longtime listener from my MySpace page. Once again, I do NOT threaten people nor have I ever done so in my entire life. I trust Mr. Jones will join with me in moving ahead together to confront the darkness now enshrouding our planet. There is simply no time for anything else.

[brandon dean]

some people understand what the word "humility" means...

and no, we certainly don't have time for sensationalists such as spittle face jones.

[Raven]

Jeff certainly has class. Something Alex can't buy.

[trixi1]

A little history goes a long way.

Interesting read--long and informative for anyone who would like a little history between AJ and Rense.


http://www.seektress.com/blkpts.htm

[Raven]

I would go one step further; Alex was to blame. He started it and always has. Period.

[FrancisDade]

Thank you so very much trixi1 for letting us know about this site:

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Stories: 2
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Last assessed at $731,402 on 2008

Previous assessments
$731,402 on 2008
$729,011 on 2007
$730,505 on 2006

http://www.seektress.com/family.htm

Alex and Kelly getting a fine house on August 30, 2007.

Elizabeth Schurig, with obvious connections to the Bronfmans, is now taking care of business for the Joneses and setting up several Jones companies mid November 2007.

Elizabeth Schurig stepping in and getting busy "correcting" company documents the first week of the new year 2008; taking Mrs. Kelly off of everything, and changing addresses. (Which makes me wonder in what authority did Kelly make the statement in Chris Arnold's report that she is an owner/manager?)

The only company formed by Jones that has not been "corrected" by Schurig is A. Emric Productions formed May 10, 2007. David Sewell is listed as organizer on the document.

I'm just saying....this is all a bit much for me, how about you?

http://www.seektress.com/betlev.htm

It appears to be true that Ted Anderson cancelled Jeff Rense's slot because Alex Jones got ticked off about the link posted in Rense's headlines. This makes GCN no different from the MSM, in my opinion.

I still wonder to myself. Who really runs the GCN network?

Is keeping the fear flow of gold and silver orders into Midas Resources generated by the Alex Jones show more important than the values GCN claims to work to protect? Apparently so.

Are there questionable connections to zionist corporate media. Looks like it to me, how about you?

Do the listeners deserve to be cut off from information and content they want to receive, and have been supporting ; due to the greed and the desire for celebrity? No.

I'm done.

My suggestion to you would be to declare your own independence
from corrupted "alternative " media.

Alex Jones and GCN and their cronies are not my kind of alternative.
I have stated nothing here that is false, or mis-leading.

I have backed everything up with facts. It's how I do things...whether I agree with the story, or not.

I am a journalist.

Thank you for your attention.

Go in peace.   

--Lorie Kramer - Houston, TX

[trixi1]

Nice value for your listeners' $$, isn't it?   

[Raven]

The reason I like this forum so much? Members like Trixi who post great stuff like this. 

[brandon dean]

The reason I like this forum so much? Members like Trixi who post great stuff like this. 

+1

[FrancisDade]

Bunny Run at Dogwood Creek.

It's so funny how for over 2 years, certain people, like the cult members and the inaction war nuts called me names because I dared to question their "lord".  Now we have some great intel about the "lord" $750,000 house and loads of other stuff, like how he treated Jeff Rense.  But nooooo, FrancisDade is a racist and scum and disino and misinfo agent who wanted to take down the pptv forum.  I think I'm gonna put that call up from 2 years ago on youtube...

[trixi1]

I haven't been posting alot lately but peruse in the background because I've been busy, but this issue has me boiling mad.

I know that we're supposed to turn the other cheek but we're also supposed to expose false prophets and users of God's name. AJ has rubbed me the wrong way for a long time and maybe more so because I used to want to believe that he was doing it for the right reasons.

Obviously I haven't believed that in a while and AJ knows that not everyone sees him for his 'actors masks' anymore. The rug/curtain/mask has been pulled back and everyone see him for what he is--a user, a manipulator and one who is in this for profit (prophet[faux]). People need to wake up and realize they need to find the truth themselves and not worship anyone, let alone Alex Jones.

See that you've been duped by this man, and the Bible warns that in the later days, there will be many who pretend to be on our side, using our hopes and faith against us--AJ is another one of these users.

Steer clear of him and his 'cult' because group-think is one of the biggest and most destructive means in which we can be buried unless you claim and act on your own independence, freedom and liberty!

I will continue to stay away from him and warn others to do the same because it's the right thing to do. AJ is no longer (if he ever was) in this for the right reasons--it's about the money. Follow the money and the money trail always reveals the truth of a person's character. When the money is gathered by manipulation and lies, fear and false truths, then it's all corrupt, it doesn't matter how much or how little. When you see his connections to well-known and high up zionists, the fact that he never talks against zionism is completely revealing of him. This has been talked about before but it needs to be repeated over and over until everyone gets it.

Get over the cult of Alex Jones and seek your own way and independence!

[FrancisDade]

See that you've been duped by this man, and the Bible warns that in the later days, there will be many who pretend to be on our side, using our hopes and faith against us--AJ is another one of these users.

Steer clear of him and his 'cult' because group-think is one of the biggest and most destructive means in which we can be buried unless you claim and act on your own independence, freedom and liberty!

I will continue to stay away from him and warn others to do the same because it's the right thing to do. AJ is no longer (if he ever was) in this for the right reasons--it's about the money. Follow the money and the money trail always reveals the truth of a person's character. When the money is gathered by manipulation and lies, fear and false truths, then it's all corrupt, it doesn't matter how much or how little. When you see his connections to well-known and high up zionists, the fact that he never talks against zionism is completely revealing of him. This has been talked about before but it needs to be repeated over and over until everyone gets it.

Get over the cult of Alex Jones and seek your own way and independence!

Right on!  Amen!

We've all got to be our own leaders.  And this group think mentality, I've seen it at schools, churches, the State Patrol...so many areas and the group think is so destructive.  

PS-I'm most disappointed in myself.  I was fooled by Alex Jones.  I didn't worship him or look to him as a leader...but I admired him and I got caught up in the fear mongering and found myself paralyzed with fear after listening to his shows.  And before that...I was a part of group think.  But learning comes with a price.  And the older I get, the more I realise how little I know. Good night everyone.

[WAR ON YOU]

He fooled us all.

The last few months its been more in the open. People in the know will jump ship, the newbies.. Fuck it he can have them. He has showed repeatably that he wants to be a lone wolf in the truth movement. Let him be he wont have much to rule soon. Besides he will eventually steer them straight into a preemptive strike.

There talking about Rense again at PP. These fools, I almost wont feel bad in the end.

[brandon dean]

I look at the pp bots the same as I look at any brainwashed people.

really, what's the difference between the obamabots and the pp bots?  nothing.  they both attempt to stifle dissent through ridicule and repetition, just like the mainstream media.

just the fact that jones' sites pop up before any others in a google search, or a youtube search, or whatever, should be enough to make him suspect.  why is he so popular?  why have so many stations picked up his show in the last two years since he married "violet?"  where did this XM thing come from?  why is he all of a sudden suing people who worship him for copyright infringement?

so many questions, and none of them really matter.

francis, you're a racist scum bag for defending the innocents of the south, and for defending the gentiles from the vilification of the jews.  shame on you!   

have you been to inaction wars lately, bro? hahaha I hate to say it, but I was EXACTLY right.  they haven't added a new forum post in months, no one visits their site, and it died a coward's death, just like I said it would after that shit went down.  besides you, francis, I still talk to many of the people from there, and they were all on our side.  in fact, a few have told me that it's because me and you got banned that they woke up to the zionist/jewish problem. 

talk about an attempt to stifle the truth backfiring in your face, eh?

never try to guard the public's emotions--they don't need to be protected from the truth...

[FrancisDade]

Oh yea Brandon, I forgot that.  We're racists too because we dared to question the Holyhoax and we wrote that what happened to Ernst Zundel was a crime, to say the least. Inaction wars...no, never go there. Tammy, whatever her user name was, and DictatorHater, I thought we were at least "online" friends.  Oh well...and that LeftyLeo aka Bossgator...what a religious zealot.  Oh well...lol fuck 'em and feed 'em firecrackers.

[brandon dean]

fuck 'em and feed 'em firecrackers.

hahaha I second that emotion...

[Livefreeordie]

Nice value for your listeners' $$, isn't it?   

ROTFLOL!

$725,000 for his home? I FREAKIN' knew this scum bag was a shyster...thank you for providing the evidence Lorie!

What a joke, spread this shyster's idiotic TRUE MOTIVES around to EVERYONE!!!!

Unbuckin' believable!!!   

[gort]

A little history goes a long way.

Interesting read--long and informative for anyone who would like a little history between AJ and Rense.


http://www.seektress.com/blkpts.htm

         Yes.And timely at that.The Wingtv pieces are denigrated by some sheeple because of the infighting.There's some newer articles on Jones,but this is pretty comprehensive.Fortunately for me,I never fell for Foghorn Jones bullhorning empty buildings and kicking down doors of the inner sanctum of the Illuminati.But over the years I've seen a cult of personality form around him,and it is nice to see the facade cracking around the porky fellow's body.Clearly,the gravel in his throat are diamonds funded by mesmerized listeners.

[brandon dean]

A little history goes a long way.

Interesting read--long and informative for anyone who would like a little history between AJ and Rense.


http://www.seektress.com/blkpts.htm

         Yes.And timely at that.The Wingtv pieces are denigrated by some sheeple because of the infighting.There's some newer articles on Jones,but this is pretty comprehensive.Fortunately for me,I never fell for Foghorn Jones bullhorning empty buildings and kicking down doors of the inner sanctum of the Illuminati.But over the years I've seen a cult of personality form around him,and it is nice to see the facade cracking around the porky fellow's body.Clearly,the gravel in his throat are diamonds funded by mesmerized listeners.

oh snap! foghorn jones... haha

I can fortunately say I was never brainwashed into AJ's cult of personality either, but I will say that it took me a few years of laughing at his fat ass to see that something is sincerely crooked about him.  I saw him almost as a novelty in his self-titled role as "father" of the truth movement.  but his fear-mongering and financial squirreling finally snapped me out of it.  this guy is more than a scheister.  he can take nymphowars and blow it out his ass...

[gort]

Yeah,well I do understand how younger people or those mindbombed folks being duped for years.But anyone that has researched Illuminism,Freemasonry,elite cabals,etc,etc., for more than a few years should know better than to follow any man or woman.I'm in my mid-40s and been at it for 20 years.But then even prior to that I never was a conformist.In fact,I was not only a nonconformist,but an independent nonconformist.Lol!I knew of Alex "Piltdown Man" Jones from the beginning,but never read his books,saw his videos,or heard him until about 5 years ago.The nazi Germanic Death Cult obsession and nazi stock footage in every film amused me.Stalin had Hitler beat in numbers by a tenfold margin,and that is if one is hoodwinked by Holocaustianity.Alex "I'm Me" Jones has really gone off the deep end in a few short years.I listened to him the past year along with other obviously controlled so-called patriot radio network talking heads,and he is without a doubt a gatekeeper.I noticed in these forums there is a varying degree of decompression taking place over these shills,so it's probably best to qualify my comments until known.Citing sources doesn't mean one agrees with that person.Anyway,I've been surfing this one and find it far better and more open than others.The recent blowout with a former cult member is very interesting.There should be a post on that one here.I'm checking it out,and the guy is an idolater.I mean the guy is in his forties and admits worshiping Alex "Bad Toupee" Jones.Okay,it's his real hair,but freaky nonetheless.Here's the link---  http://www.infowarstv.com/ Talk about unoriginal.And the folded arms on his avatar pic.I feel sorry for the sap.Now he factioned off for his own mini-truth movement.Oh yeah,I think it is great that there was no Admin.email notification approval to sign up.I should've signed up months ago.You,waronyou,Raven,and Trixi seem on- the- ball.It is important to keep exposing that fool.He made a few hundred grand after the Rense affair.Unreal!

[brandon dean]

I'll take that as a compliment all around.  there are also other smart ones lurking here, that only pop in every once in a while...
and yes, there are many in decompression stages, and we are REGULARLY hit by the "israeli blog army" announced by the israeli military last year.  it's great though, because they're so easy to spot.  they all link to the same websites, and they all copy and paste inane crap.
but there are others, whom I actually give much credit to for even being here, who are awakening on a different degree, and then there are those who believe things I don't believe at all.  in my opinion it takes all kinds, and I always try to keep in mind that I may be wrong about something.  I may not have been brainwashed by hollywood jones, but it certainly took me a while to finally see all the way through his bullshit.  once upon a time he was entertaining to me, but that illusion is long gone.
this is the best forum I've found on the internet so far, and though I'm only 35, I've been fighting the new world order in all its forms for almost twenty years myself.  after a time the tactics are so obvious you'd have to intentionally blind yourself to not see them.
my site wizardofoswald.com will be interactive php within the next few days (it's ugly static html right now), so I guess I should plug that too while sucking WOY's ass... hahaha  but I'm really hoping to draw some good conversation to those forums too.  the site's gonna look great anyway... 

[gort]

Oh yes,it is a compliment.You and the few others I mentioned are centered.And like you,I disagree with many people .But that's par for the course in life wherever you go.What I like here is that there is a modicum of repspect for diverse views.I've just never been big on forums because of the paranoia and parroting of gurus.I mean the whole "call everyone that disagrees with you Cointelpro,disonfo agent,left-right paradigm et al" is coming from the mind af a sheep.It's clear when you are dealing with intelligent agent provacateurs and when it is simply a parrot.The Hegelian Dialectic is an art form.And I far prefer it over the many gurus reterming of it.The PRS and L-R paradim falls short of what actually takes place.It misses the synthesis of what the antitheseis is set-up for after introducing the thesis,but that is another subject for another time.Not everyone parroting it are New Agers,but red flags go up when I hear the word paradigm.New Agers love that word and the phrase paradigm shift and christ-consciousness.And frankly.most people that are coming out of these cults are not Christians.So,as a Christian[no denomination,sect or church--lonewolf Believer],the attacks come strong by pointing to Zionist televangelists and pop-prophecy gurus and the pseudo-history claiming Jesus didn't exist or was only an avatar.At least here,there is respect from people of different walks of life and faith.I don't point my finger at anyone,but am not afraid to share my beliefs and correct false history.I laugh when people put the disclaimer on zionism and Judaism.Hoffman's books are excellent in this regard.Plus,it's intereting that Judaism is the base religion for Western esoteric secret societies.We all know the Illuminists are Luciferians but to deny the monumental influence of imposter Jews and Zionists of all stripes is foolhardy.And yes,Rome factors into it as well.As does, the groups that others hang there hat on.Even Protestantism,per se are the daughter harlots of Rome in Revelation.That one is hard for some Chrsitans to accept until they dump zionist pop-prophecy.Fritz is one of the few to write about the Armageddon Script,and then only briefly.All hell is going to break loose sooner or later.And it is the dialectical shell game of New Agers on one side[Josh Reeves of Oracle--the AJ wannabe--man he is a clone of him] and Alex "Butterball" Jones and televangelists on the othe end of the spectrum that is aiding the Antichrist agenda.And the hypocrisy on both sides is self evident.Alex "Knuckledragger" is a zionist and denies it.And guys like Icke,Tsarion,Maxwell,Reeves,and Watt to a lesser degree[a little more honest,but the occult worldview is there] reinterpreting ancient history and symbology on the other.And anyone that follows anyone is going to be set up for future slaughter.I mention the little fish Reeves simply because he thinks he is reincarnated and has the matrix all figured out and that the Illuminati is a front group.LOL!!! Can't see the forest from or through the trees.Illuminism goes back to the beginning of human history for man and further back with Satan/Lucifer.It is the best phrase to describe the Great Conspiracy against humanity.So,falling into any camp of "it's the Bilderbergers or Jesuits or this or that" misses the larger picture and the hierarchical pyramidal structure of the Illuminati.I'm sure a ton of people would disagree,especially the so-called "enlightened ones" that "follow their heart",but that's my view,and I'm only sharing it,not ramming it down anyone's throat.I'm intererested in your website,and projects,so keep us informed.Take care.

[brandon dean]

right on, gork...

the more intelligent people around here the better.

the bottom line is people who have a need to understand the truth will eventually see through mr. jellyroll jones (how many names can we come up with for him?  ) and his team of dream makers.

I wonder when he's ever going to go public about all his secret "sources" he touts so much?  isn't it convenient that he always seems to have an "inside" source for his info?  or how about how he always loves to say he's "got a stack" of "dozens' of "the same articles" in front of him (which invariably back up whatever he's spewing), while he shakes a stack of papers in the most retarded david letterman kind of theatrical way.  what a drama queen...

the guy is almost unbearably ridiculous.  what happened to the video inside bohemian grove when the security guard walks up?  why would he cut it off at the most opportune moment?  did he wander too close to something he wasn't supposed to?  did the guard give him a knowing wink off camera while he reminded him of where his "press" boundaries were?  so many questions, so obviously a shill... haha

[gort]

Brandon,that was a point I was going to make on Alex "Miley talked about me" Jones.That is the constant claims of secret documents and how he invites everyone to view them on Infowars,but when they can't be found,it is dropped and onto the next big scoop.He did that with the Swine Flu which Lee Rogers[a tad bit more objective from the other side of the controlled opposition in the alt.media] caught.He had some document from a teacher in Mexico that never appeared.Of course,the years of his rhetoric is a self-fulfilling prophecy.He claimed afterwards that he said it was a hoax all along.Well,we know it is manmade and the 2nd and 3rd wave are coming.We know a finacial meltdown is near.And that civil unrest is planned [Ordo Ab Chao] and building with the fight against the Usurper.So, Blowhard Jones will take credit for warning everyone.The man has no shame.I was really pissed at his Barry film.He paid lip service to the eligibility fight going on,and then overlooked the Constiutional crisis we are in when crapping out that film.And it is still on with eligibility lawsuits,Citizen's Grand Juries[historic,though a DC judge through out the GJ Presentments on the 2nd],FOIA lawsuits that have been denied.The list goes on.The alternative media has all but blacked out this news just as bad as the MSM.I've always wondered if Alex "I have Chalie Sheen's Jacket" Jones would skip the country a few days before the takeover of this erstwhile great nation.Time will tell.

[brandon dean]

I think it's safe to say he'll split town, but if not, I'm sure he'll just keep grovelling at the feet of his jackbooted thugs he never shuts the fuck up about.

what did it more for me than anything else was his Y2K show. ol spittleface jones really screwed the pooch on that one.  I had never heard it until about 3 months ago.  I dislike phallix jones and his baublehead offspring for other reasons obviously, but that really slammed the proverbial nail in the coffin.  I now actively fight against him.

I mean, who else in the "truth movement" can you imagine besides little alex jim jones actually stating with impunity in his ad policy that he will sell links to ads that look like links to articles?  outright deception from the self-proclaimed father of the truth movement.

at least icke will talk extensively on the "zionist elephant in the room."  alex only has enough balls to have his moderators keep the gate by banning any speech regarding zionism, or at the least quarantining it in the "dummy dum dum" dunce board at the bottom.  just put on the dunce cap and step to the corner, where everyone else can laugh at you.

I also can't help but love how all the gatekeepers over there constantly scream about "cointelpro."  does anyone really think they don't have a new name for a new program fifty years after cointelpro was created?  just maybe?

even further on that train of thought: I wonder how many of those people blathering on and on about "cointelpro" and "operation northwoods" even know that the person who exposed both was james bamford?  and furthermore, I wonder how many of those who know that have actually read his book "body of secrets?"  and finally, I wonder how many of those understand the ramifications of bamford having been a CIA agent for years.

what's that phrase again?  once CIA, always CIA?  oh wait, it was "once OSS, always OSS."  in other words, I find it slightly naive to trust "ex" CIA agents, even ones who "spread the truth."

so all this "cointelpro" business was created by the CIA, then outed by the CIA?  I don't think so...  and what does that say about those who never shut the fuck up about it?