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14 Responses to “Fractures in the Truth Movement, Part III”

1. Die Daily on December 18th, 2009 at 5:28 am

   The topic of Jewish control of the media and finance and all-round Zionist evil is really important to air out and discuss. Mind you, you get your totally obsessed individuals who think that talking about the Jews is pretty much all there is to life. The topic of Jesuit and Vatican meddling and evil is important too. Mind you there are those totally obsessed individuals who think there is an evil Jesuit assassin behind every shrub and that’s their whole world. Then you have your masonic-obsessed folks. Those that think it’s all the German’s fault. Others fancy it’s all because of the royal families. Then there are those that think it’s the evil Muslims. Other folks are completely obsessed on the idea that it’s New Agers and Atheists to whom we owe all our woes, and yet others think that it’s 100% Luciferian Satanists. Take your pick…or…

   News for you all: it’s all these groups. Get over it. Branch out. Live a little. We can be pretty certain that all these groups, racial, religious, spiritual, ethnic, national, class and ‘none of the above’ have various nasty roles in this mess. Sure thing. Many, many Jews very much included, to be sure. But here’s one thing that we can be very, very, very sure of:

   Those that seek to grind an axe and divide the movement into camps are doing nobody but the enemy a favour. It’s like when I listen to The French Connection with Mr. DB Smith or TIU with Mr. Ognir, which I do, religiously. I love those shows for the great information they bring forward so fearlessly. They speak a lot of truth. But then they get on and on and on and on about Alex Jones sometimes, and it’s the strangest, weirdest, most hilarious and futile thing! It’s like HE defines THEM, sadly. It’s like some kind of mental switch throws and they go all MK-Psycho and start foaming at the mouth about AJ for god knows what reason. I don’t know if they are jealous, angered about something they think he did to them in the past, controlled opposition trying to foment division among us, or God knows what else. Fact is, I’ve heard AJ talk about Jews, Zionism, Israel, the Rothschild’s literally dozens and dozens of times. Still, I do actually wish AJ would give that topic more attention too, but does anyone notice that he is not the one who is obsessed with bashing fellow activists? Who’s doing the dividing? And why are they doing it? AJ getting a little too successful? Seem so…

   Now, this article makes a few good points, but it’s basically a joke in terms of the evidence it brings forward (ie. doesn’t). The same tired old yarn. He said, she said, he is bad, etc. etc. etc. Talk about obsessed. This JTCoyote guy, for example, can you believe that’s the extent of the evidence that AJ’s forums are evil, zionazi cesspools of censorship? What is this High School? What, has that JT guy made maybe 10,000 posts and moderating decisions, or more, and they find ONE? It’s the same old half-dozen tired, worn out points. There are evil folks all over the place killing millions of us and somehow villain number one is Alex Jones? Seems very suspicious to me.

   I’ll keep an open mind that maybe there is something amiss with AJ because he doesn’t get super focused on this or that ethnicity. It’s possible. Maybe Ron Paul is a sleeper, who knows. But I keep this open mind IN SPITE of the gossipy, divisive nonsense like some of what this article obsessively overstates, pretty much out of the mouth of Ognir and DBS. Bottom line: look hardest at those who are DOING THE BACKBITING AND DIVIDING. Little newsflash: that would be NOT ALEX JONES. Second little newsflash: does it ever occur to the obsessed AJ-bashers that AJ simply wants to wake up the largest number of sheeple possible and that maybe the worst possible mistake he could ever make would be to ignite the gigatons and zigabigatons of latent conditioning that the Zionists have installed in the minds of the sheeple regarding the taboo word “Jew”? You and I know that the Jew question as it were, needs examination. But even DB Smith recounts on his show how he was sick to death when he first turned on to this info. Is this entry level knowledge? (Hint: HELL NO!!!!). Now, never mind which is the better show, or the more accurate show even, but I bet if you took two identical audiences and played one the AJ show, and the other The French Connection or TIU, you’d wake up far more than ten times more and do it ten times faster with the AJ than the Jew-Jew-Jew-Jew-Jew-Jew tirades punctuated only by the anti-Alex ad hominem. In fact, that very experiment just what has been happening. As for this notion that AJ’s listeners are diminishing, and that folks are in some sort of “mass exodus” from his forums? Oh my goodness, what a sad, sad almost desperate fantasy. Statements like that make me lean more toward the argument that it must be jealousy-driven detraction rather than controlled opposition pre-designed to divide us. Here’s hoping I’m right on that one. Here’s for UNITY. Grow up and UNITE. Take all that anti-AJ fury and throw it at the common enemy. It’s like your one flaw. Deal with it. We’re all in this to fight the banks and globalist criminals. Grow up.

2. Doug Nusbaum on December 18th, 2009 at 10:57 am

   So … people are just now waking up to the fact that Alex Jones is either on the payroll of one or more of our intelligence agencies and / or is a con man. Seriously, anybody with more intellectual horsepower than a smart 5th grader would have seen that his posts were completely detached from reality from the get go, and were mostly about spreading transparent lies and selling stuff.

   I am now awaiting what spin the so called truthers will put on the upcoming trial of KSM, especially when he starts telling how it really was Arab / Muslim terrorists who hijacked planes and flew them into the WTC and pentagon. I bet they come up with some story about how KSM is really an agent of the CIA and the Illuminati and the Mosad

3. brandon dean on December 18th, 2009 at 12:54 pm

   haha we got a live one!

   die daily– thank you for your, shall we say, complete response… I do truly appreciate your opinion and input. but I do have a few points to make which you should consider. first, I’ve rarely listened to ognir’s or dbs’s shows. their opinions have not affected my perspective in any way.

   Second, I’ve written dozens and dozens of articles in the last few years, and I have written a total of 3 which even mention alex jones or prisonplanet. you can take this article and blow it out of proportion all you like. I was not trying to put the final word on anything, but to get those who blindly follow alex jones to look around and see there’s more to this war than german secret societies and banks and 911.

   I am not saying definitively who alex jones is. I wouldn’t presume to, because I don’t know the man personally, though I have been personally ripped off by him, as you can find out by reading the first part of this series. so I have no need to resort to conjecture and speculation when asserting facts. did you happen to see something I attempted to “prove” through this article beyond the fact that a split HAS OCCURRED?

   am I promoting the split? read the last paragraph.

   there is plenty of proof available for what I claimed in the article, and you can find it by visiting the waronyou.com forums. I had zero intention of making this a research paper with footnotes. it is an op ed, which means OPINION editorial. follow me?

   you can take it as high school, because that is the extent of what you drew out of it. that’s fine. I was honestly apprehensive of even writing this series because there was no way to do it without appearing gossipy. period.

   but the fact is that these splits have occurred, and I am simply presenting my perspective of how it happened and what it may mean.

   I agree that people give far too much attention to drama in this “movement,” but when thousands of people who could potentially be opening their minds are blinded by the alex jones empire glaring right in front of them, and cannot see the rest for how loud alex jones shrieks, I see a problem.

   sometimes common sense can explain more than documented evidence. I don’t think jews control the world. I think zionists are the most powerful faction in the world of corrupt politics. of course all those other groups are evil and need attention too. and if you knew me at all, you’d know I’ve said that exact thing many times.

   however, there is NO taboo topic (in the US) which is more taboo than criticizing jews/zionists. and common sense alone tells me something is wrong with that. no one and no group is above criticism.

   and I have to say it’s laughable to hear someone say jones has never participated in infighting. you can’t be serious… I guess I must have imagined that video of alex jones calling david icke a “turd in the punchbowl.”

   oh and i guess I must have hallucinated alex jones referring to bill cooper as a “drunk” right? that didn’t actually happen? give me a break…

4. brandon dean on December 18th, 2009 at 2:32 pm

   doug nusbaum –

   you’ve certainly got a point. the one thing I’d like to say is in response to this:

   “So … people are just now waking up to the fact that Alex Jones is either on the payroll of one or more of our intelligence agencies and / or is a con man”

   like I said in the article, alex jones guards the gates to the “truth movement.” with his blaring ads, dvds rabid fans etc, he crowds out important information which he conveniently leaves out. he is certainly a con man. now he’s making guest appearances on the ventura “truth” show on “truTV” which is owned by rupert murdoch. I know I’m not the only one who sees something wrong with that.

   people have been “waking up” to alex jones as long as he’s been around. it’s just kicked into high gear recently, simply because he kicked into high gear. once he got some money behind him, he expanded his empire, and now sucks in every new “truther” who lacks the ability to discern between fact and bombast…

5. Die Daily on December 19th, 2009 at 2:01 am

   brandon, thanks for your response. Points taken. You are observing the split rather than instigating it, fair enough although I have not observed it myself (yet?). I agree that there should be no taboo topics, yet I observe that certain topics, such as over-representation of Jews in power, make ready fodder for the reactionary far-right hate-mongers and I sometimes wonder whether another pogrom could result if this issue is exalted to the pinnacle. Above all I’m grateful that my comment survived the moderation process! That was my litmus test, I guess, as I wouldn’t have been too impressed if a writer decrying censorship had toasted my comment since it contained no profanity! (I would have exposed that irony to the folks at FreedomsPheonix, who’s site brought me here if that had happened.) I also take your point that you are writing an editorial and not a reference paper to heart. I will read some more of your work, and I’ll go over this very lengthy piece again too in case there are things I’m not getting from the first read-through, which admittedly involved some scanning over the longer sections. In my defense, though, I’ve yet to see ONE SHRED of evidence that AJ is a con man per se. I cannot in any factual context discern this claim from ad hominem. The ONLY thing I have thus far seen a decent, factual argument for is that he leaves out some topics. To which I say, so? Does that make him a reptilian sympathizer? Is he going easy on the reptilians? Is he getting reptile money? Do you get what I mean by that?

   I would still encourage those who feel that going after Alex is MORE WORTHWHILE than going after the people who are actually taxing / brainwashing / poisoning / shooting / etc. us, to consider just how potentially nuts that is, and to meditate for a couple of seconds on the maxim “divide and conquer”.

6. A. Magnus on December 19th, 2009 at 12:43 pm

   Cui bono? Who benefits if there are fractures in the truth movement, hmmmm? Certainly not the interests of those seeking to promote truth. I find it all rather interesting that some take the word of obvious poseurs like Nathaniel Kapner – whose miraculous ‘conversion’ from Judaism to Christianity mirrors the conversion of Adam Gadahn, a.k.a. Azzam the American of Al Qaeda – over that of people like Jones who have been slogging it out from the beginning.

   True, Jones may very well have an ego complex at this point in time. But that is an unfortunate and natural consequence of being at the head of the pack. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely – even the ‘truth’ business is susceptible to human nature. But one really has to question why all the energy is focused on broadcasting this personality-based split in the movement at this time. It doesn’t smell right, and if anything I’d say it was the power elite promoting these rifts in the first place.

   Right at the time when people of all political stripes are fed up with the Wall Street-based solutions from democrat and republican Quislings, the one paradigm-altering alternative to the stauts quo – the Truth Movement – is suddenly exposing all its dirty laundry for the world to see. How is that going to convince people to come on board? That’s right, it’s not. People will see just another crooked enterprise and will settle for dealing with the devils they already know.

   Arguing like little bitches over who’s being dictatorial on private internet forums allows the real dictators the opportunity to shore up their ranks and take more names. If you don’t like the personality of Alex Jones, don’t listen to him and start up your own damn websites and keep up the good fight. Wasting your time attacking his character saps away a HUGE amount of the righteous outrage which should be directed at the powers that be. Don’t fall into this trap!

   The people who insist that Jones is a zionist plant remind me of the radical gay rights activists who insist that they be provided a forum for their extreme beliefs. I understand why Jones doesn’t discuss zionism by itself – because that would open the truth movement up to the ‘Holocaust denier’ label, one which would be near impossible to avoid otherwise. Given the current educational state of the audience he is trying to reach that makes perfect sense. Why poison the punch bowl with a known propagandist turd?

   But nooo, just like NAMBLA advocates who insist they have a valid point, the weak-minded sheep who bleat about the Jews being the source of every ill of society DEMAND that Jones take up their mantra or else be labeled a plant. Talk about coercion! Meanwhile, the real pedophiles in power get some extra night’s rest thanks to you morons making a big deal about whether Jones talks about zionism or not. If you want the job done your way, DO IT YOUR DAMN SELVES! Don’t waste your time advertising your ideological PMS to the rest of the thinking world. We’re already sick of mainstream BS; we certainly neither want or need ‘alternative’ BS.

7. sweettina2 on December 20th, 2009 at 5:53 am

   RIGHT ON DIE DAILY!!!!!!!

8. Wake Up You Fools on December 20th, 2009 at 5:13 pm

   Why are some of you operating from the premise that Alex Jones is the truth movement? Who the hell made him the spokesman or the authority on truth? Are you stupid? Can’t you figure that out for yourselves?

   Why the filter of an organization that censors people? “The Arabs own Hollywood” was just utter bullshit and you all know it. Anyone that needs this man to tell them what to believe is a foolish child. The article states this. But better yet, see for yourselves.

   It is a testament to some people’s inability to use common sense that their search for information leads them to continually listen to the drone of hysterical railing in place of facts.

   Yes, they censor. Yes they avoid certain subjects like the plague. Yes they push their views and make all kinds of outrageous claims.

   So do televangelists. I view Alex Jones in the same light as those Sunday morning preachers who intone death and destruction and then beg for money.

   How pathetic. Jones and co. are nothing but a cult of doomsday quacks who insist on directing people’s anger towards their own government and not the real criminals.

   Can you say cointelpro boys and girls? I knew you could!

9. trixi1 on December 20th, 2009 at 5:36 pm

   Die Daily,

   Due to your most recent comment, I have this to ask. How is it that you look at not observing it yet (I’m assuming you are referring to not having directly been affected by it yet) does this excuse their actions?

   This article has many years behind it. If you look at parts 1 and 2, you’ll note that the ‘split’ isn’t the overall problem. It is about pushing actions that make people choose ‘if you’re not with us, you’re against us’ mentality. Alex Jones and his ‘empire’ have become a joke. The reason? It’s because his hypocrisy has shown itself many times over. He says he stands for truth and to have people look for themselves, don’t just take his word for it. But when they do, they’re met with dead ends, other people calling them kooks and labeling them COINTEL agents and having their opinions and questions silenced.

   This is totally unacceptable. You and others must realize for yourselves. Don’t wait to become a target yourself but stand up for others first because when we are not willing to stand up for others, our stance means nothing. It is self-serving and contemptable.

   Alex claims to have no knowledge about what goes on on those forums but that is an absolute lie since he grabs so many of the stories that members have posted and brings them to air. He also has many of his own articles written about many of those issues and claims to be the first to cover them.

   He has shown himself to be willing to go to very low methods in order to claim the title of ‘king truther’. Be your own leader and research yourself. Everyone must do this in order to face the really tough and hard times ahead. There is not one of us that is more important than the next and when it comes down to crunch time, anyone who is in a ‘leadership’ position will be more than willing to throw each one of us down under a bus without looking back. And they will do it with screeching tires to boot.

   When people claim that AJ has brought out the issues of the zionists and jews and others, they need to really look at how deep he has ever gone into those issues. He barely covers the surface. He refuses to look into anything like this in depth, let alone, has people more than willing to buy the argument that if someone brings out the fact of him doing so, they get labeled as anti-semites, hatemongers, anti-truthers, etc. Anyone willing to do their homework, such as this article does, cannot walk away without a changed perspective on his agenda and who his money-changers are. He didn’t get to the top by threatening others at the top, he got there by being a willing gatekeeper that is totally willing to trash others who have gotten too close to the truth.

   A Fracture in the Truth Movement is necessary when those who pretend to be for the truth movement are only playing a part but believe none of the tenants. Let the false prophets of it fall by the wayside and good riddance on their way out.

   That will leave nothing but for real truth to prevail.

10. Rainchild on December 20th, 2009 at 5:41 pm

    Here is my perspective on this issue. I do not care for Alex Jones personally, but he does have some good information. Even though that’s true I only believe 45% of what he says. The other 55% that I don’t beleive that I don’t beleive that comes from his mouth is because of the way he portrays the situation or because of lack of evidence. My argument isn’t that he doesn’t cover certain subjects like Zionism, Jesuits, Nazi’s, rosecrucians, and the like, but rather that he ONLY covers mainstream topics, and almost 2/3rds of the time based on articles written by the mainstream media. Now I become skepticla of this. Why is it not okay to talk about these subjects? Why does he interrupt his guests when they get to a subject that he doesn’t research? Shouldn’t that be a gain for him if he’s having a guest talk on his show? Why should he interrupt a guest with what he’s find when he wants us to hear what THEY know, and why does everything have to have a starwars, hollywood, melodrama, with each article and sentence from his mouth? These are the questions you should ask yourselves.

    And why not look at his background who he is associated with. This is something Alex and the MSM do all the time. AJ is prominent for usin gad hominems and non sequitors when speaking of his competitors. So saying that we cannot do the same thing is a non issue.
    http://www.alexjonesmachine.com/family.htm

    I’ll end with this analogy

    lex Jones is like a gateway drug. He gets you all hyper and jittery about this and that, and then he starts crying on the air like Glenn Beck or calling Bill a drunk and using tactics from the mainstream media to keep people from looking at other subjects that’s when the high you get from his speech patterns wears off. And then when people look at those taboo subjects they stop listening to what they’re told and start listening to their own thoughts so they can come to their own conclusions. At this point they’ve stopped doing the leader drugs and have found that calm focused research is better than a natural high caused by recycling the old information.

    I will end wit

11. SeasOfEuropa on December 20th, 2009 at 7:53 pm

    The more I witness from the jones crowd, the less I want to do with it. Seems like some of you don’t so much want freedom, but a form of collectivism. If someone disagrees with you, or presents a differing view, they’re cointelpro. I thought that mind frame is what we were trying to get away from. Looks like some of you went from one form of bs to another.

    State your grievances and disagreements, that’s fine, but once we get into the cointel pro crap, that’s when the jones crowd just gets stupid, and it shows a sign of weakness too.

12. Die Daily on December 21st, 2009 at 8:49 am

    trixi1, you asked for a response about my not having observed a fracture in the truth movement. It’s a pretty complicated topic, but to summarize:

    1. There was no, is no, and will be no unified, homogeneous “truth movement”, so there’s nothing to fracture in the first place. That’s one of the beauty’s of it. Therefore, the notion that it is fracturing is almost non-debatable, since the underpinning of the “debate” is a canard, or perhaps more properly, an absurdity.

    2. You can also look at this from a numbers perspective. Even if there were some manner of cohesive “truth movement”, which of course there is not, a schism would imply some sort of dividing up of the group into two numerically significant groups. Let’s pretend there was “a united truth movement” (chuckle) and that is has “fractured” (giggle) into two groups. Then we would have on the one hand the pretend Alex Jones group (about 5 million daily listeners daily with 2 million podcast views per day alone, over a hundred or two million documentary views) and then there would be the pretend Anti-Alex Jones group. Let’s count the stats on that…um…well it would be in the hundreds of people, but since they talk about almost nothing else all day, let’s say they have the force of thousands. Hell, let’s say tends of thousands (laugh). Ok, now be serious, even in this fantasy reality can any reasonable person really stretch reality far enough to call this a “fracture”? Maybe in the sense that when you knock a pebble off a mountain it’s technically a fracture, sure.

    3. You can also look at this from a credibility perspective. As AJ’s numbers continue to skyrocket upward, his credibility and general exposure does too. This has been helped along by the reduced frequency with which he freaks out and acts like an idiot on air, lol. (Shocked that I don’t think Alex is perfect? Hmmm. Never met a fellow Alex fan that did…or for that matter that considered him their leader in any way…perhaps since he doesn’t promote that sort of nonsense? But I digress…) It has resulted in him becoming the go-to host for the worlds top experts and celebrities whenever they wish to voice an minority report. From Monckton to Megadeth, he has gained unparalleled access to the major players who work for us “on the inside” or who wish to translate some of their fame into a pain in the NWO’s ass. So there’s one side of the imaginary “fracture”. On the other side how many heavy hitters are lining up to do battle against the banksters and spooks? (Hint: chirp, chirp, chirp).

    4. You can also look at this from an evidential perspective. I had the pleasure of going back and re-reading all three parts of this “fracture” series, such as it is, and was more attentive to detail and read every word this time. I’ve taken a lot of space here already and I don’t want to dominate the discussion or rain too much more on Brandon’s parade, but I have noticed dozens and dozens of errors, speculations, blatant self-contradictions, logical fallacies, etc. etc. in among the droves of otherwise general, Alex-obsessed speculation and could write a short essay on it. I’ve said my share and I hope made my points. If and only if Brandon entreats me to do so, I’ll leave a long comment detailing the hilights of what I found and generally mop the floor with these more-worthless-than-expected articles. Otherwise, I’m done here, as there are real issues in the world to study and real menaces to fight against along side of the millions of my brothers and sisters who are grown ups and wish to set aside any and all of our differences until we’re done kicking some serious NWO ass. Meanwhile, y’all enjoy sitting around and being obsessed with the big bad Alex Jones and making sh*t up.

13. trixi1 on December 28th, 2009 at 9:13 pm

    I don’t disagree with the fact that there isn’t one specific ‘truth movement’ however, that being said, there is a movement of people that are yearning and seeking the truth.

    I find it funny you say that you’re not a follower of Jones and yet, you claim that when we point out inaccuracies and obsessives of Jones and how he leads people astray, how he goes all crazy, and using his self-claimed position of leader, he is using that position to foist more falsities and misdirections, when we call him on it, we are called the obsessive ones? I think one needs to observe from an inside point of view and then an outside point of view to be constructive and that is the angle that this article and many of his opposers are coming from, myself included.

    If you find that to be obsessive, you clearly haven’t experienced both sides of the fence when it comes to AJ to see that these are legitimate concerns of his gatekeeping tactics and nobody in their right mind will find that acceptable to any degree. In fact, when people wake up, they are more determined than ever that they will expose it at all levels, and will not cherry pick who they target. It’s not just the ‘elite’ that are guilty of gatekeeping because without people like AJ on their side, they wouldn’t be able to hold up the lies as good as they do. They rely on the little cronies as well and AJ is playing is very willing part to a T and benefiting very well for it.

14. Die Daily on January 5th, 2010 at 8:25 am

    You’re right trixi1. I think you should make rules about what the truth journalists can and cannot cover. If they don’t cover as much as you think is true, you should go after them and make sure they are firmly discredited. If they cover less than you think is true, you should go after them and make sure they are firmly discredited. And anyone who likes them. Stop the infection before people get hurt, right?

    It’s not like if some activists go beyond what we think is true, that we can just not listen to them. It’s not like if some activists don’t go as far as what we think is true, that we can just listen to additional sources or different sources altogether. Instead, I think we must make judgements and enforce those judgements, for the betterment of the movement. Let’s have a central government for the truth movement. Why don’t you be the president. We can all follow your directives. You can be like the nanny activist, and we can be like the children that you teach the truth to. This would be good, because it’s not like we are capable of filtering for ourselves, right? We do really need you to tell us what to think and listen to. That’s why Alex is so dangerous, right? People who have woken up and are now in the fight to wake up others are still just mindless sheep, and we have to protect those sheep. We are sheep that need your special guidance using your special insights, because you have a very special vision for the truth movement, the one vision that is totally and absolutely correct.

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