Fractures in the “Truth” Movement
Separating the Mice From the Men
Brandon Dean
WizardofOswald.com
August 3rd, 2009
“It’s not too cool to be ridiculed
But you brought this upon yourself
The world is tired of pacifiers
We want the truth and nothing else“
—Stevie Wonder
What is the “Truth Movement?”
What some contemporary writers and activists term the “Truth Movement” (loosely defined as those who search for truth behind government corruption) is actually an age-old phenomenon, which I refer to as the Generational Freedom Movement. I’ve written two parts of an ongoing series entitled “Heroes of the Generational Freedom Movement.” This series details, so far, two individuals I name heroes for their efforts to expose corruption. Namely: General George S Patton, and General Smedley Butler. They are both military men, but there is a reason I chose both. To read Part 1 click here. To read Part 2 click here.
Throughout the generations, from Spartacus to the traditional Irish Republican resistance to the British Crown, there has been a spirit of rebellion against oppression inherent in the human race. Throughout these same generations, the elite of the human race have been honing their skills of oppression. For in the modern “first” world we have a mental slavery to counter the direct, violent oppression of the third world. It would seem as though those with the illusion of freedom have the stronger chains. Rebellions and armed resistance are frequent where oppression is outright, and non-existent where “freedom reigns.”
Here in the first world, where communication is key–where propaganda is almost all-encompassing–we fight an information war. We demand and use our freedom of speech like third world farmers use their AK-47’s. We change policy with our speech.
There is a genuine opposition to the power elite in these united States. I’ve been a part of it for almost twenty years, in one form or another. When the BATF fire-bombed a church in Waco, Texas, it straightened my spine like an electroshock. The public anger was palpable. Those I found who sympathized with me referred to the burgeoning numbers of truth-seekers as the “Patriot Movement.” Militias sprang up all over the country–some of us were fed up to the point of preparing for the worst, should the BATF choose to treat us the same as they did those in Waco.
After 9/11/01, the patriot movement morphed from “kooky militiamen” to a more mainstream phenomenon, simply by attrition–9/11 was so huge it was bound to cause people to open their eyes and pay attention, and those who caused 9/11 knew this would happen…
Alex Jones
During the heady, grungy days of the mid-90’s (1996 to be exact)–Alex Jones sprang up out of the woodwork in Austin, Texas, a middle class, conservative-leaning loud mouth. For a few years he plugged away at his public access TV show, and garnered a modest audience interested in his “paleo-conservative” tirades. Jones has always heavily relied on theatrics, a style which has attracted quite an audience in the post-911 era. His emotional discourse draws out similar emotions in those who listen to him.
Jones helped rebuild the burned down Waco Branch Davidian church, but there is more than enough controversy surrounding his involvement in the project. Controversy seems to follow Alex Jones wherever he goes, and after years of the same shtick, one must wonder: “why the shtick?”
I can remember listening to Alex Jones’ radio show in 2001-2002, and there were many times when Jones’ would beg for people to call in, because the lines were empty. In other words, there were long years before Jones dared claim he was the “father” of the truth movement.
Alex Jones shot to prominence by appearing to sneak into the Bohemian Grove, an occult summer camp for the global elite. But it is painfully obvious he was allowed in to consolidate his place in the emerging truth movement.
He has always used to his radio and TV shows as platforms to vilify his critics. He regularly hangs up on anyone who disagrees with him, unless of course it’s the guest on the show. He will spinelessly suck up to his guest whether they agree with him or not.
Jones’ popularity has exploded in the last three to four years. He’s always somehow managed to sneak past the “cointelpro” censors at mainstream news networks, at least enough to get an interview with someone like Geraldo Rivera on FOX, as a representative of this “truth movement.” How convenient for Alex Jones that he gets to represent the truth movement on mainstream TV news! In my experience, only controlled opposition gets a coveted interview on CONTROLLED mainstream TV news. But hey, that’s just 19-years-of-me-paying-attention speaking–no need to heed my words or anything…
Unmoderated PrisonPlanet.tv Forums: The First Movement-wide Exposure of Alex Jones’ True Colors.
In May of 2007, the un-moderated PrisonPlanet.tv forums opened to paying members of PrisonPlanet.tv. I happened to be one of the original posters in these forums. There I came in contact with a few people whom I still talk to today. One of them is a WizardofOswald.com member; one “Francis Dade.” Now Francis Dade is a southern gentleman, and he was chastised by Alex Jones live on the air, for daring to defend the anonymity of pp.tv members.
In defense of this anonymity, demanded by most pp.tv members–which was null and void if your membership ran out (in other words, your real name would appear on your posts if your account was ended)–Francis Dade called into the Alex Jones show. The forums were un-moderated, which meant we couldn’t ask a moderator to help us fix any problems we had. we tried many avenues to get Jones’ attention without success, and calling in the show seemed the only possible avenue left.
“soupy dead children!”
A few of the members got through to the show, only to get berated and hung up on by Jones on air. But Jones was slightly thrown off by Francis Dade’s gentlemanly manner, and decided to let him speak. Francis Dade explained the situation, and Jones’ reaction was to scream at him that this was a non-issue, and there was nothing he could do about it. Francis Dade persisted, and Jones responded by calling his internet tech live on air to tell him condescendingly to “pull” the pp.tv forums and delete everything. Needless to say, many subscriptions were canceled directly after this incident, and some have even made it their mission in life to expose Alex Jones as a money-grubbing opportunist and scam artist.
Jeff Rense
Jeff Rense of Rense.com, in stark contrast to Alex Jones, maintains a very low profile (the above photo is the only one available of him on the internet), and encourages open debate. He encourages open debate by posting links to topics other “respectable” truth sites won’t touch. The only issue Rense.com seems to hammer home is the one subject Alex Jones (and many other “leaders” of the truth movement) won’t touch: Zionism and the supposed Jewish Holocaust of World War II. Where other major sites marginalize the Revisionist Movement (which has been around for sixty years longer than the current manifestation of the truth movement), Rense.com promotes investigation of Zionists and their fairy tales.
Mike Rivero
Mike Rivero of WhatReallyHappened.com has been in the truth movement since he discovered that the Clinton Administration was responsible for the death of then-president Bill Clinton’s chief of staff Vincent Foster. Rivero worked in the special effects side of the movie industry before there were computer effects, and he has worked on many many projects which required knowledge of graphically violent situations, scenery, and forensic accuracy. Seeing the broadcasted photo of the faked suicide of Foster, and knowing it for what it was, instantly turned Rivero into an activist for the truth. He has been hard at work exposing criminals ever since.
Rivero, like Rense, is unafraid to discuss the Zionist issue. And Rivero, like Rense, has for years been accused of “anti-semitism,” which is the pet-term of the Zionists for those who oppose them.
Other Names Emerge in the Truth Movement
Eric Hufschmid, who claims basically everyone works for the “Jews”–including Jeff Rense and Mike Rivero
Mike Ruppert, the disgraced “patriot” and ex-LAPD officer who attempted to rob his own offices in a lame attempt to garner more attention and support from “truthers,” and who subsequently fled the country, under the auspices that the “government” had chased him out under threat of bodily harm…
the “Loose Change” crew. In the center is Jason Bermas, a rabid “anti-racist” who screams at, vilifies, or otherwise shuts down any critical mention of Jews when possible, even though Jews are just people, and not above criticism, just like any other group of people.
In the ensuing years since 9/11/01, other “leaders” have emerged in different sectors of the truth movement, from the extreme right to the extreme left, and to what I would term the “extreme center.”
Two of the most prominent of these emerging leaders are Jeff Rense and Mike Rivero. These two have not only consistently shown themselves to be more concerned for the truth than their popularity, but they have also shown themselves to be the bigger men in a battle which is basically screaming for accusations and name-calling. More on that in a minute…
Most of these so-called leaders, however, have not shown themselves to be as open and reliable as Jeff Rense and Mike Rivero. I may not believe half the topics discussed on Rense.com, but I am open-minded and realistic enough to not deny something I myself have not researched, and to welcome opposing opinions to mine.
The Split Appears
In mid-April of this year, a caller to the Alex Jones Show asked Jones’ stand-in–Jason Bermas of Loose Change fame–about the fact that most of the television media is owned by Jews. Bermas exploded on the caller, and claimed that all those who believe that mostly Jews “own Hollywood” should electrocute themselves by getting in a bathtub and dropping in a toaster oven, because apparently we’re all Jew-haters. Which is funny, because I would have to hate part of myself to hate Jews, and I hate none of myself…
Texe Marrs, who has been a guest on the Alex Jones show for years, wrote an article about the incident, in which he stated about Bermas: “Quite a rampage by the supposedly “patriot” talk show host. And all because the poor caller had dared to propose undue Jewish influence over the media.”
Jeff Rense linked to Marrs’ article on Rense.com. Being that the article was obviously critical of Alex Jones, Jones flipped out and threatened to sue Jeff Rense and everyone else who criticizes him. Watch the following video clip:
Rense was fired from (or left) the Genesis Communications Network, which broadcasts many “patriot” radio shows, including the Alex Jones Show and the Jack Blood Show, some time in late March/early April. Rense and Jones had an as yet unspecified fallout, and Jones’ pull is obviously what got Rense fired.
Brother Nathaniel Kapner of RealZionistNews.com
At the end of March, Brother Nathaniel Kapner of RealZionistNews.com wrote an article entitled “Is Alex Jones a Zionist Shill? Controversy Swirls” which was obviously critical of Jones. Kapner has emerged as a force in his own right within the truth movement since being linked to by Rense.com.
These two incidents have caused a fracture in the truth movement which is irreparable. Among those who have been involved in this movement for a long time (especially those who remember William Cooper), Jeff Rense is far more respected than Alex Jones. Alex Jones remains the best at drawing in audiences within the truth movement, however, with constant promotion of all sorts, including free promotion from rabid fans who pass out his DVDs, bumper stickers, and message on street corners and malls around the country.
The Death of Bill Cooper
William Cooper was a hero of the patriot movement of the 1980’s and 1990’s. In 1991, Cooper wrote what I still consider to be the definitive book relating to the current truth movement, entitled Behold a Pale Horse. His short wave radio show “Hour of the Time” aired for years, and encouraged thousands of others like myself to become more active in the future of these united States.
In June of 2001, Bill Cooper predicted the terrorist events of September 11th, 2001. In July of 2001, Alex Jones, who obviously listened to Bill Cooper’s show, but denies it to this day, also claimed he had “intel” that within a couple months of July terrorists would strike New York City. Bill Cooper watched the news and put two and two together, coming up with 4. Alex Jones, by contrast, had “intel” that bin Laden would strike. Coincidence?
Watch this video:
Bill Cooper Exposes Alex Jones as a Shill, and Dies 7 Weeks Later
On November 5th, 2001, Cooper was killed by undercover sheriff’s deputies in Arizona about 7 weeks after EXPOSING ALEX JONES AS A FRAUD, and almost two months after the terrorist attacks of 9/11/01,
Cooper had listened to Alex Jones’ broadcast on December 31st, 1999, and decided Alex Jones was controlled opposition. He spent months putting the audio clips of the Jones show together for his expose. Between Jones’ “Y2K show” and the subsequent interviews he gave that night and the next day, it became painfully obvious to Cooper that Jones was a scaremonger and opportunist, not to mention an outright liar.
The following clip is part 1 of Bill Cooper’s show exposing Alex Jones:
To hear parts 2 through 6, go here.
Bill Cooper’s death coincidentally paved the way for Alex Jones’ ensuing career success. Am I saying Alex Jones was involved in Cooper’s death? No, but I’m also not saying he wasn’t. I don’t know one way or the other–I just know it was extremely convenient for Jones’ career that Cooper died…
Zionism Versus the German Death Cult
So who has more influence in this country? An elusive Germanic Death Cult, with whom the only possible people to blame are the “front men” in government and corporations, or a zionist elite which pervades every aspect of the supposed Germanic death cult and more?
According to Jones, the world is controlled by a loose series of occult secret societies, which at some miraculous point in the future will all agree on one world government. But the problem is, if there’s no real cohesion between the New World Order affiliates, then to whom, and how and when are they going to decide to all of a sudden relinquish their hard-earned power? If there is no one to point to at the very top, then there is no one to point to at all. Those government and corporate “front men” Jones refers to could never be held truly responsible for their crimes if there is always an elusive superior who gave the order.
A serious look at US history will show even the dilettante a pattern of Zionists who pretend to be Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Republican, Democrat, American–anything but the creatures they are: godless zionist thugs. The fact that most of the banks, media, food manufacturing companies and social services in this country are owned and controlled by Zionists masquerading as upstanding Jews and Christians seems to have no effect upon the opinion of Alex Jones or Jason Bermas. They still claim the country is controlled by “death cults,” and Alex Jones has even claimed that “Hollywood is owned by the Arabs,” the notion of which Jew Ben Stein (and many others) laugh at.
Listen to Alex Jones claim that Hollywood is owned by the Arabs:
“Do Jews run Hollywood? You bet they do-and what of it?“
—Ben Stein
One of the hallmarks of oppression is controlled opposition. This entails injecting your man into your opposition, to be able to control that opposition. If you pay someone to spread false information, the chances of cohesive action against your plan disintegrates. Zionists are masters of playing both sides, as evinced through the Israelis’ mostly phony war with Hamas, which they played a major part in creating.
Zionism Means Never Having to Say You’re Sorry
This fracture in the truth movement between the anti-zionists and the Alex Jones automatons was building gradually for a few years until Bermas blew the issue wide open on Alex Jones’ show in April. Since then the fracture has become a fissure, and the fissure will soon become a gulf.
Jones wishes to recruit every new possible “truther” into his “cointelpro” “zionism equals anti-semitism” world before they can search a little deeper into the non-moneyed world to discover the zionist beast. But with his money, duped from starry-eyed patriots who foolishly trust him to spend it on the “cause,” Jones has promoted himself and his scare-mongering, not the truth. He has proven himself the most skittish of mice, and has separated himself from the men with his ultimate treachery: the sacrilege of twisting the truth into a profit.
And while Alex Jones cries and moans and attempts to sue everyone on the planet who criticizes him, the two other major players in the truth movement–Jeff Rense and Mike Rivero–remain reticent in the face of conflict. Jeff Rense simply issued a humble statement regarding the issue, and Rivero looked the other way, wisely seeing it as a worthless distraction. Rivero still links to Jones’ material and appears as a guest on the Alex Jones Show, and has not made public (to my knowledge) his opinion on the matter..
But to those of us who don’t have the big names, and who live in the trenches of the battle for truth every day, the split widens, and the balance is coming over to our side. Alex Jones is now seeing his control slide away, and good riddance.
Zionism, with all of its different manifestations and evil, has lost its impervious way. The internet has shown its tactics the door, and now that the proverbial cat is out of the bag, the zionists are all a-fluster. Their time-honored tactics no longer avail them; in fact, their tactics now expose their true methods rather than covering them up.
Zionism’s controlled opposition to the truth movement has failed. They are desperate to regain the field, and I’m afraid they’ll do anything they believe will regain it. This is a dangerous time to be for the truth, but I will leave you with one final thought:
“I keep on fighting for the things I want
though I know that when you’re dead you can’t
but I’d rather be a free man in my grave
than living as a puppet or a slave”
—Jimmy Cliff
© Brandon Dean, 2009
(a special thanks to Raven for correcting me on a couple dates… Brandon)
Great article Brandon!
Take a good look at the company he keeps and you can figure out his followers are the same. The same rabid fans that give out DVD’s with Alex Jones support started sites in praise of him, to later be the target of the same cult. Thats very gangsta of him to say the least.
The mods then riled up the cult and steered the forum into every scenario. You dont have to be a genius to see a phys op take place. He bates people into doing his dirty work. When they started the attacks on Rense and Company I know there was no going back there. How could Alex Jones possibly try to slander the man that married him? When the guy bermas told to kill himself called back he did the same yell, cut off, ramble, people do this and that but not you. Then says the guy wants the world to end. That was you Alex with the Y2K BS that your buddies in the MSM was pushing.
“Thats very gangsta of him to say the least.”
lol
“The mods then riled up the cult and steered the forum into every scenario. You dont have to be a genius to see a phys op take place. He bates people into doing his dirty work. When they started the attacks on Rense and Company I know there was no going back there. How could Alex Jones possibly try to slander the man that married him? When the guy bermas told to kill himself called back he did the same yell, cut off, ramble, people do this and that but not you. Then says the guy wants the world to end. That was you Alex with the Y2K BS that your buddies in the MSM was pushing.”
ha! brilliant! alex jones calling someone else apocalyptic is like Abe Foxman calling Simon Weisenthal a hebe bastard. hahaha pot calling the sky black?
There is no ‘the truth’ movement. To state otherwise would be insane. Whom knows the ‘truth’. There are simply data sets to be analyzed and digested. Some points here, some points there, some points nowhere….
Its taken me the longest time to finally come to the same conclusions. I too sat up and began to pay close attention from Waco onwards. Alex Jones always grated with me, the Texan drawl along with the manic showmanship just doesn;t go down well, down under and I’m an Aussie. I therefore amde some allowances, since I couldn;t personally like the guy. However I have become only more and more trusting of and admiring of Rense in particular for the same reasons as expressed here also. The obvious limitations of Jones’ reporting when it comes to the Zionist elements was there before but when it came down to choosing between Jeff Rense and Alex Jones then Jeff didn;t have to say a thing, and Alex’s every word in response was just another nail in the coffin of his credibility with me.
Lance, don’t be ridiculous. That’s just lame semantics. The connotation of “truth Movement” is that people are genuinely seeking the TRUTH, wherever the chips may fall, without bias or other motivation. If you don’t agree with that defintion, then fine, you aren’t part of it, but that doesn’t mean you get to deny our existence. WE recognise our own, there certainly is a movement called Truth and we do not grant you power of attorney over us, as it happens.
The Alex Jones Machine, GCN and Midas Resources are all about profit from “Patriots.” The facts are there. The truth will out. Thank you for helping that along.
I’ve been listening to Jones’ show, posting on his prisonplanet forums for a while now, and I’ve come to roughly the same conclusion… although, since zionism IS a death cult, the arguement ALMOST borders on one of semantics… ALMOST. It is disingenuous of Jones not to name the major perpetrator when even Joe Biden isn’t shy about it, and to take credit for the work of others. I actually only started investigating this stuff in depth about three years ago (always been drawn toward the obscure, though), so I wasn’t around to hear Bill Cooper, though I’ve since seen alot of his stuff on youtube and I believe he was sincere… But then, I also think Jones is sincere in many respects, and probably even sincerely believes that it’s okay to compromise ethics to get ahead (he is a capitalist, after all) Either way, this wealth of “underground” info hit me like a ton of bricks (9/11 had alot to do with my curiosity).
However, it’s my belief that there actually are several cults at work here, of slightly varying ideologies, but the end result is the same. Slavery and control. Dominance and screwing each other over for a buck is prevalant in virtually ALL corners of Western society, taught to us from childhood until death. It’s actually miraculous that ANYONE escapes this mentality, with any degree of success, large or small. Zionism, or really any supremacist ideology, whatever you wish to call it, may be the tie that binds some or most of them together at the top. They are sociopaths, and they will be drawn to controlling and dominant positions. The names are probably of less concern to them than they are to us.
I agree that there is much to be suspect of Alex Jones, but I question the motives of everyone in the alternative media. Still, rense.com and prisonplanet.com remain my primary sources of info. I frequently find revealing stuff on Jeff Rense’s site, hidden histories and aspects of occultism and mysticism that Jones wouldn’t touch with a ten-foot pole, but Jones, as a controlled insider, often breaks stories first. His “theatrical” style, while entertaining, does often veer toward trying to whip his audience up into a blind frenzy, though. Seems like what some have termed “American Revolution II”, but what I call World War III, is just around the corner and Jones couldn’t be more excited about it, which is kind of disturbing. He frequently berates his audience, trying to provoke anger. Whether you think that’s good or bad really depends on your perspective and what you believe to be the next phase in the plan of the NWO. It’s very difficult to pinpoint where and to whom allegiances truly lie in this twisted little game. I recently stumbled onto Michael Tsarion’s work, which was very helpful, if only for my peace of mind. If we’re all pawns on the “Grand Chessboard”, however unwillingly, we need to know how the game is played if we wish to have any hope of making it out alive… and in the end, none of us ever actually do.
This comment below was left on the front page by a Jones cult member (rexmundi}. Notice the ADL/Cointelpro remarks that they love to use against anyone who disagrees with their leader. The same guy that yells and screams at callers is a victim now and why would ADL have a problem with Jones?
I could do the Alex jones thing and censor your post , change your words or just delete but I’m nice enough to move it to the appropriate topic.
“”What a joke. If you hate Alex so much why copy his slogan,”There’s a war on for your mind”, and poorly emulate his website. Whatever ADL/CONTELPRO fucker they got running this site is child like and idiotic.
Is it that they just can’t get any better or is this deliberately done in such a crude manner? Anyways Jeff is a jealous twit”"
You will soon see that Alex Jones hasnt even trademarked infowars. He doesnt own words or any part of the movement. Its quite the opposite we own his million dollar house, studio, and following.
Escape from Prison Planet
“Banned From Prison Planet? Be a Good Christian and Help the Guy Who Banned You”
Alex Jones “Israel is innocent of 9/11″ pushing his Zionist Propaganda!
Alex Jones offers $1,000 to commit crimes (also looks like an ass on his show)
Former Forum Moderator of PrisonPlanetTV.com The forum of Alex Jones Breaks His silence and Speaks Out!)
You know you’ve hit a nerve with the truth when they come out and attack you for the facts that can be proven if one was to do research themselves and not use the approved school curriculum pushed through schools. People should never fear asking questions of any topic nor about any person for the ones who are afraid to ask questions have already given up.
Yes, Brandon, it is a great article. Sorry for not mentioning sooner. As a matter of fact, I’m sure I’m not the only one to enjoy your style of writing–straight and to the point and eliminating all the middlemen but still leaving the door wide open to invite anyone to look things up for themselves.
I don’t care much for Alex Jones nor his theatrics, nonetheless, he has absolutely played a tremendous role in waking up the nwo newbies. To this we should be thankful.
Nice article!
I listen and read: Rense, Jones, Rivero and Stadtmiller at RBN. I take them for what they are. Entertainment based loosely on fact. Interestingly, only one person stands out as an obvious Zionist shill. Will the winner please step forward. Mr Jones please take your place. It’s so obvious why not drop the pretence. Aside from Jones’ glaring reluctance to mention the Z word, he has Jewish wife, an on air Jewish side kick and maintains a Jewish linked lawyer with back channels to the Bronfman family (Seagrams & Warner Music empire). Make up your own mind. For my money Jones is a controlled dupe. To his credit he does use the slogan: The battle is for your mind….
The same old lightwieght stuff. You’ll need a LOT more than these weak opinionated aspersions to debunk Alex Jones, even if you were right. Fairly pathetic really. I mean, if you’ve got something worth mentioning, let’s hear it? Otherwise why not wait until you actually do have something remotely related to ‘real’ evidence.
Hard to say what Jones motives are, but if you flip it around and think what if you wanted to reach people who only know how to tune in to mainstream media with your “truth”? At the moment, only way to do that is to drop all jew talk. Alex Jones has waken up a lot of people who have then started to to their own research. I would bet a lot of Rense’s listeners and readers have in a way come through Alex Jones. So would it be unfathomable to think, that by sacrificing part of the truth for the purpose of getting some of it to people who would never get any of it otherwise, you could move the cause to right direction?
First time here. Thank you for a very good article and well written.
A couple of comments.
“He has proven himself the most skittish of mice, and has separated himself from the men with his ultimate treachery: the sacrilege of twisting the truth into a profit.”
I could forgive him for venal greed. But his betrayal is much deeper and more deadly serious than profit. A lot more is at stake than money. He has betrayed and made a sacrifice of non jews into the hands of murderers. He knows their murderous plans but he continues to conceal and protect them.
If you want to call them zionists, neocons, communists, whatever, I don’t care but I call them jews. The Christians you speak of are crypto jews. Do some research on maranno (christian jews) and Donmeh (muslim jews) The common denominator is jews. Maybe your being part Jewish you’re more comfortable calling them zionists, I don’t know, but a truth movement requires truth. No?.
I listen to Jones frequently to hear what he has to say since I do believe he has jew-connected insider info that he puts out as part of his job as controlled opposition and gatekeeper.
Just the other day he was talking about the birther issue and made statements to the effect he had to show his children’s birth certificates to get passports in case things get too bad here. This gets to the crux of the problem with Jones. Jones and family have plans to bolt to a safe haven abroad (probably in Israel) while the US is being destroyed and all of us “non chosen” are being slaughtered and dumped into mass graves. If you find that hard to believe you need to do some research on the Jewish Communist Bolshevik revolution and takeover of Russia, over 200 million non jews murdered by jews, the Ukranian Holodomor, gulags, the Armenian genocide, the Soviet Army’s actions in WW2, the jewish controlled Nuremberg War Crimes Tribunal and you will get a glimpse of the “truth” they have planned for us.
Splendid article!
I quit listening to Jones shortly after discovering his existence. He rubbed me the wrong way from the get-go. I did not trust him.
Your article confirms my assessment of him was correct.
Thanks.
911=USrael
I too…don’t care much for Alex Jones and his theatrical style but as Spaz stated he has helped awaken many.
I am a loyal reader of Rense.com for years now…Jeff Rense is not afraid to put it out there…let his viewers decide for themselves or maybe it might encourage more research on the readers part…and David Dees his graphic artist is one of the best…a picture paints a thousand words and his art does that…
You might want to look into a Hip Hop Artist by the name of Payday Monsanto on YouTube his work is some of the best I have found…or he goes by Payze Duez as well…great music I believe his myspace account is http://www.myspace.com/payze here is a link to one of my favorites National Emergency…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwsSujb3rLY
Thanks we need more aticles supporting our true patriotic heros….
Everything you have written here is exactly right. There is more to this issue than is touched upon here, and the gulf that is growing between Zion and its exposers is only shedding new light on long forgotten, deeply buried monumental truths that have subtly (and not so-) shaped the landscape of our modern cultural myths and its subsequent society.
yep. alex is going to get a lot of kids in trouble this fall. this whole joker contest is just the beginning.
tess said:
“If you want to call them zionists, neocons, communists, whatever, I don’t care but I call them jews. The Christians you speak of are crypto jews. Do some research on maranno (christian jews) and Donmeh (muslim jews) The common denominator is jews. Maybe your being part Jewish you’re more comfortable calling them zionists, I don’t know, but a truth movement requires truth. No?.”
the reason I differentiate between Jews, Zionist Jews, and Zionists is because there is a difference. whether the difference is semantic or not is up for your interpretation. you should read some of my other articles on zionism/judaism at:
http://wizardofoswald.com/writing
I certainly respect your opinion, however. my great great grandmother was born jewish (she didn’t consider herself religiously jewish and she had no money), but I’m here to tell you I have no sensitivities about it. I wouldn’t separate the two terms without reason.
the difference between zionism and judaism is this:
1: in Judaism, there is a god who created the universe.
2: with Zionism, man is the “god” who created the universe.
3: a Jewish Zionist negates #1 for the earthly pleasures (and destruction) of #2.
–that is the way I see it.
I agree that the issue is deeper than I touched on, but this article was not supposed to necessarily be about zionism or judaism so much as the fracture between alex jones (and the cointelpro crew) and jeff rense (and the anti-zionists).
in any case, I’m certainly not trying to cut anybody slack for being jewish. and honestly, after years of being accused of being “anti-semitic” that is literally the first time someone said that I appeared to be coddling the jewish issue… haha I’m open to criticism obviously, because I’ve taken the time to respond to you, but I still stick to what I said in the article. I believe there is a difference between a zionist and a jew.
Bravo.
My experience with Alex Jones’ prisonplanet website was to have my comments removed after only a few minutes. The article concerned House support of Ron Paul’s Fed Audit bill. My comment was, ‘Does anyone out there really believe that the President won’t veto this bill?’ It lasted about 5 minutes on his website and then was pulled.
The truth is an elusive thing. I will continue to trust David Icke’s information, however, down to the last shocking detail.
Jones is so over laden with strident rhetoric that he would be impossible to listen to for very long regardless of his point of view. I think Rense has shown far more courage in publishing material that couldn’t possibly be sanctioned by TPTB. I don’t trust Jones even if we are occasionally on the same side of matters. Imagine what a Stalinist hell things would be with Alex Jones as Lord and Master.
I believe based on years of listening to all these guys that its 50% ego with these conflicts and 50% Alex being scared of being shut down or marginalized by being called an anti-semite (which these days means anyone who opposes what zionists want).
I don’t believe Alex is controlled opposition, I have heard him make enough comments about the zionists and neo-cons off the cuff to know he knows who is pulling strings. However, at this stage he is avoiding calling them out more than he and his guests do, for fear of having his access to wide audiences shut down. Is he chicken, yes. Is he reaching a wide audience with a message that is more valuable than watching Fox news? Yes, in my opinion. He may have a lot of influence but he is not god, his audience doesn’t have to come to the same conclusions he does. Once you start looking behind the curtain, once you realize the official story is almost always a lie, its not hard to find out what’s going on. Alex and crew want to wake people up to the illusion posing as reality and they want to make money too. FWIW. I was saddened by the rift between Rense and Jones. Regardless of the rifts, I see momentum picking up overall. Time for another false flag attack.
I believe Alex Jones, because he is Not putting a Racial Tag on the infomation. The New World Order is made up of “The Very Rich Elites” of all races with the fake Jews “The Rothchilds” who claim to be real Jews, the head of it. They do’nt even practice Judism. The Malta Knights are part of the “Black Nobility” which is formed by the same European White Elites. What I am trying to say is it is a group of people who believe they are “Blue Bloods” or Descendents of royalty of very powerful families. They wish to send us back to “Feudalism” times of the middle ages where no one owns Property but the Very Rich. Alex is truly waking up the masses by not bringing Race or Religion into it. So lets get pass that and deal with the people of whatever race is going to eliminate 80% of the world population in a very short time if they are not exposed.
With Love of Patriotism and the forefather’s Consititution of country and state “Live Free Or Die”
the link for the 2nd part of the mentioned article seems to be broken Heroes of the Generational Freedom Movement”.
Thanks.
Too bad Alex Jones can,t be more of a gentleman rather than the weird, rather repulsive character that he projects. How can anyone follow this guy? But more importantly, his opinions are meaningless if he doesn,t criticize the Zionists and Israel and analyze the Holocaust.
My understanding is that his wife is Jewish so he leaves Jewish related things alone. Let,s find out what kind of financial support he is getting from Jews: Bronfman and whomever else in the Illuminati wing.
I think Jones has shown us enough that he can,t cut the mustard. He should not be taken seriously.
Disinfo, is a powerful weapon. If you want to destroy a movement simply infiltrate and lead it. The truth lies in the facts, do your own research. Trust your instincts, if it seems wrong it probably is. Hold all facts up to the light then give it the smell test. If they are selling something, books, dvd’s, etc… then they are not in it for the truth, only money. We came to the truth movement of free will to uncover corruption and make the world a better place. Do not fall under anyones influence, think free, be free, freedom can happen. Don’t let the bastards grind you down. btw great article.
check out:
http://www.public-action.com/911/bumble.html
http://www.nogw.com/download2/%5E8_911_prior_knowledge.pdf
we have 70 or more percent of the country with their eyes wide open now, and the movement is more than just a few alleged ‘conspiracy theorists’ (right wing slang for wingnut) and now we’re looking at the entire portion of the nation capable of true analysis and thought,, are now fully awakened to the HIGH TREASON that took place that day.
the other 30 percent of the nation is lost in space without helmets on, and they are never going to be won over. they’re blinded by the dominionist bullshit and lies to the extent they will plug their ears and cover their eyes rather than watch Niels Harrit or Steven Jones or anyone else show them how the WTC complexes were destroyed by demolitions charges and couldn’t have been brought down by airliners, especially WTC-7, which wasn’t hit at all and had only small, minor fires in it.
unfortunately we still have to form coalitions nationwide to demand that those who did this are held accountable and punished, and that means, in most cases, they must be put to death. they cannot be allowed to get away with this mass murder and this HIGHEST OF TREASON that was committed that day with Mossad / Israeli help.
it’s not about being anti-semite or jew hating, it’s about JUSTICE, not spelled the neocon fuck way, JUST US as they have morphed that branch of government into.
we will win, and they will be tried, convicted, and then hanged for these murders.
thanks to finally getting the 70+ percent of the nation to WAKE THE FUCK UP!
I’m I the only one, gets the feelings that Alex and Rush are twins.They sure sound and act the same :^/
I think we owe it to ourselves not to readily accept those who claim to be fighting for something.
Actions and not just words are what always change things. Period.
I look at the hypocrisy of America’s Commercilized Christian church, it’s love of material welath and killing non-Christians in the name of Jesus, tell’s me the commercial side of it needs a longer break from the routine. Same goes for the Jon Stewarts, Rense, Whatreallyhappened and the Alex Jones’s. Sure, they have huge IQ’s, and giant ego’s to go with it. But the only thing they can really do for the angry/ foul mouthed fellow wind blowers is keep the line busy. My Grand Dad told me once that wit is nothing but educated insolence. I see a Creflo Dollar / Joel Osteen smile peering from behind those shiney actors eye’s, and think they are in it for the money. You can’t create a better house on a pile of BS. Do they ever tell yout to do something about it, instead of just taking it to the wire and faking out the bad guys. It’s gotten so predictable that even the hoodlums don’t bother to wait if the house is empty.
As always, it’s the little things that give it away. Alex enjoy’s playing satanist Jimmy Page music in the background on his radio shows. Michael Riveria is pro-gay and a fervent anti-Christian (part of which the illuminati can agree with) , he thinks his one liners are all it will take to keep the people angry enough to come back for more of do-nothing arm chair warrioring
Like I said, it’s what people do, not what is spoken that seperates the men from the foot stomping brats.
Death to the illuminati.
Unmentioned in this page is the French Connection Website, which has a great deal of info about Zionism. http://www.iamthewitness.com. Interesting. Also of course is Michael Collins Piper of the American Free Press and Republic Broadcasting Network who must be regarded, I think, as the most knowledgable anti Zionist critic working today.
Rense introduced Benjamin Fulford to the world. Fulford is an obvious fraud or agent. If Rense or Rivero were any threat whatsoever, they would be dead. this is elementary.
Unlike the author of this article, AJ doesn’t spend any time knocking the work of other patriots. Beware those who seem to spend all their time attempting to fracture the movement.
Not much time left before the “upper crust” have total control over every aspect of our “the little people” lives.Free speech is essential, but deciding which info to look at, who to choose to believe, is a full-time job, even for those who are not about to be on the streets, such as me.Sadly, it looks like Don Juan was more right than the “New Agers”.It is an adversarial universe, & a person needs their wits about them.Y’all need to sift through EVERY BIT OF INFORMATION, & reflect it off your own integrity-if you can still find it after watching “American Idol”.
Rense has set the standard. AJ is BS simple as that. I’ve been telling the truth on the local level for damn near 15 years. It has cost me two wives, two houses, four children, about million dollars and some 50 days in jail. That is what happens to those who dare expose their agenda and go after the “just-us” crowd. You will never hear AJ get to the root of the problem and this the mutha fuking lawyers!!!!Isn’t it time that we the people go to war against the BAR?
Starviego do a search! Or open your eyes. Jones has attacked everybody.
I found Mike Rivero at WHR.com around ten or twelve years ago. What Really Happened has been my home page ever since. I browse through Rense every day but it’s more curiosity and the original op-ed pieces written for the site. Since stumbling on these types of information outlets my mind has been freed from the scripted constructs of bought and paid for so-called Historians. Even my Government employed wife now realizes that the world has been hijacked by Zionist shills. And we’re all aware that not all Zionists are Jews and not all Jews are Zionists. I’m an atheist but I’ll bet pennies to dollars that our local Minister sends a portion of what he gets from the suckers in the tent to Israel. As for Alex Jones, well, anyone who needs a bullhorn to get his message across is just yelling at me.
I’ve never trusted people who yell at me to get their message across.
You should check out Darryl Bradford Smith at iamthewitness.com That site is a treasure trove of the Truth about criminal zionism. DBS has been saying that Jones is a shill for a long time.
Excellent article!! You have not created division. The bar has been raised quite succintly and efficiently with this article. Jones is such a sham. It’s been so patently obvious to me for years now. Bermas’ tirade in which he called for the death of those who dare to mention Jewish/Zionist influence was the capstone on the pyramid for me. JASON BERMAS!!! BECAUSE THERE’S A MORON FOR YOUR MIND!!
I do not see that Jeff Rense or Mike Riviero are any more or less credible than Alex Jones. Both Jeff and Mike have shown repeatedly that they are in some ways slaves to a position that only makes sense in an opium dream, just like Alex. They all have huge ego’s, coupled with a fair bit of intelligence. Same goes for Eric H., Mike R. (ask him why he is drinking again), and the Loose Change crew. I read all of them, but I take all of them with a huge grain of salt.
William Cooper was an awesome guy. He died in a hail of lead, so he paid the ultimate price for telling the truth. Do you think that he didn’t receive dozen’s of death threats before they came to get him? Do you think any of the names mentioned above would still be doing what they do in the face of that sort of opposition? The first name that comes to mind of a person who would not is Mike Riviero, he would insist that his musician wife’s CD sales were dependent upon his being alive.
I’m going to go ahead and link to a little piece I wrote on just this subject, coming from a different perspective and reaching different conclusions:
http://moonslurpies.blogspot.com/2009/07/lets-all-sing-doom-song.html
Why spend so much time and energy fighting with ourselves? Alex Jones may not be perfect, but he’s done quite a job of waking people up and getting the attention of the mainstream media. If Alex were to attack the J’s directly, he would be crucified in a flash. What would that accomplish?
Sorry that I got off topic. What can I say, I’m getting old and tend to wander.
The topic was fractures in the truth movement and I support and agree with your excellent article. Everything is connected as I’m sure you know but I know everything can’t be covered in one article.
The fractures are a necessary part of growth. The wheat must be separated from the chaff so the wheat/truth can grow.
I will check out and read your site. Jeff Gates blog site criminalstate.com is another good one linked now on rense. Thanks for your reply.
What? You put in Eric Hufshmid but no Daryl Bradford Smith?
Mike now thinks he’s a super hero. The plastic toy he has on his web page that’s sopposed to be him as a super hero , when in reality is should be a fat guy with a cock sucker mouth. And it should have words printed on it’s chest = “Unemployed Computer Guy that’s looking for work in the movie industry”.
Somebody please tell me what is it he’s done that makes him a hero?
The Hippi chick back in the late 60′s who stuck a flower into that Marines rifle was more of a hero than him. What a nerd. A Dick Cheney nerd. Dick got 5 deferments and loves sending people out to die in war. The web masters are too damn lazy to even get off their fat asses and prove that all this talk about the coming police states is real. They talk the talk, but are too unfit to walk the walk.
Yes, sometimes they all give out information that is worthy of taking the time to read most of what was written. But they are now almost to the point where it’s nothing but a circle jerk round up. They are pussies. All they are doing is keeping the now very angry public from grabbing ropes and crossing the line. I like one one person wrote here, if they were really a threat to the government system, then Mike and Alex and Rense would be hanging like a DC Madam in the back of the woodshed.
I hate the idea of a luciferian NWO, but I’m not getting any inspiration by those guys, when all they do is create sites to help the government keep track of us.
As another commenter notes, Rense promotes frauds like Tarpley and Fulford. He is thus discredited. As for Rivero, he’s a gatekeeper for the Apollo hoax. If you really believe the US sent men on the moon 50 years ago, why can’t they do it now?
You need to beef up on your facts, Brandon, lest you get pegged as the latest zio pied piper.
Great article, I always find it hard to be hard on alex jones because he does function to begin to wake people up to this stuff, but I guess the other problems he is causing are too big.
Anyway I wanted to share what has become a very important concept that I have run into I think in Michael Tsarion, or maybe it was Jordan Maxwell. The concept is that yes the Zionists run the world, but no they are not the “jews” they are the “Levites” the aristocracy of the group that developed Judiasim. Not only that the research traces the true Levites, the Levitical Jews to Britain, which makes sense as the Rothchild family resides there. Those that we believe to be the jews, are just the cannon fodder to take the brunt of blame for the actions of the Levitites, the Zionists, who may very well be of a Caucasian racial stock and not the typical middle eastern race that we currently associated with those called the “Jews”.
whatreallyhappened.com is the most important new website on the Internet. Mike Rivero possesses both a sharp intelligence to analyze current events through the lens of deep knowledge of history, and a great sense of humor to sweeten the medicine.
sorry about a typo – my entry should read, whtreallyhappened.com is the most important NEWS website.
Free speech is the first thing to go.
“JASON BERMAS!!! BECAUSE THERE’S A MORON FOR YOUR MIND!!”
ok, that was freaking hilarious… LOL
“What? You put in Eric Hufshmid but no Daryl Bradford Smith?”
my bad…
but hey, that’s what the comments section is for, huh?
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As another commenter notes, Rense promotes frauds like Tarpley and Fulford. He is thus discredited. As for Rivero, he’s a gatekeeper for the Apollo hoax. If you really believe the US sent men on the moon 50 years ago, why can’t they do it now?
You need to beef up on your facts, Brandon, lest you get pegged as the latest zio pied piper.”
fair enough, but perspective is perspective. in my opinion, anyone who posts articles by gilad atzmon, christopher bollyn, and others, and regularly posts in support of revisionists such as Zundl, Rudolph, and others–all on a regular basis–has my respect. and like I mentioned in the article, I don’t believe half of the topics discussed on rense, but I am open-minded enough to realize I don’t know everything.
but my main question to you would be this: being that the two major sites who linked to this article were whatreallyhappened and rense, would it be safe for me to assume that you reached this article by viewing one of these “fraudulent” sites?
I will take your criticism, but please take a little advice from me: be not too quick to cast out judgment. I may not know all the facts, but neither do you.
I can promise you one thing however: this came from a place of truth within me. this is the first article I’ve written about the truth movement specifically, and I thought it might get a big response. but hell, you can’t please everyone all the time.
Great article! This really breaks it all down and exposes some of the infamous “Alex Jones” moments.
Jones needs to be exposed for the Zionist money grubbing shill that he is.
It wouldn’t surprise me if all the donations Jones receives ends up in Israeli West Bank settlements.
In order for the government to implement what they never will, it is vital that they have the power and control to do this, this power and control will be obtained through fear. This fear must be spread throughout society and fast. Therefore the government have created the “alternative movement” to do this. With the help of Alex Jones and others who lead this movement they have employed the ordinary person on the street as unconscious agents – to do the fear spreading for them. They also have scientists, doctors, journalists etc on the payroll – to sue the government for the most horrific things, and this ensures we believe them – cus they’re on our side ya see….yeah right.
Since I have “awakened” from the alternative movement trance – I have not spread one ounce of fear (unfortunately I had already spread loads of fear among my family friends by that stage though)….now, however, I observe and “spread” the many, many weaknesses of the governments and elites and realise that the majority of this is banners,drums and masks to scare away the spirit of rebellion.
People must not become unconscious agents for the government – if you’re going to spread their fake fear and power, then at least go and work for them and get a days wage for the privilege.
There are obviously people in the alternative movement who can be trusted – you’re intuition will tell you who they are. This break down and split of the alternative field is also by design to confuse and scare people I don’t trust any of these people. Who cares let this fall to pieces – we don’t need the “alternative movement” – it needs us!!
One thing I dont understand is, if Jones is working for zionists and protecting them because of that, but not because he doesnt want to be marginalized as anti-semite, how come they are allowing him to attack Rothschilds who have done all they can to keep out of the spotlight for almost 100 years?
Good for Stevie Wonder. No wonder Americans are angry at Town Hall meetings. They have been lied to for decades by politicians and now the president.
They chose a side and fought back. The Americans today, at the TH meetings are the exact same Americans who stood up to King George III. After Health Care, it will be immigration and then gun control. The HC battle has to be won now to stop the other communists agendas.
There is a new, underground book out that is shows precisely what is happening in America today (A Time To Stand – http://www.booksbyoliver.com) that I just read. They also had a Town Hall meeting and fought the government of tyranny with the help of militias all around the country. It’s written by a former mayor who realized that there is no longer any ‘local government’, it’s all federal tyranny. Read it and see how the 2nd American Revolution is going to start. It may be your home town and you’ll have to make a choice. Make your history Now!!
Smith has being telling us all for years that AJ is a shill and working for Jewry
Hey don’t forget about David Icke! His books in my opinion have exposed just as much truth and his predictions are also accurate maybe even given earlier. He too made the zionist connection along time ago even if indirectly through geneology or blood lines or w/e… Icke has several books in print exposing the evil-doers and their biblical origins going as far back as the beginning of our civilization. Patricia Corey is another good author to read for truth. Great arcticle thx- after seeing a youtube video calling alex jones a double-agent i have been analyzing his energy (i do palm readings etc), and i agree he is one of ‘them’. Good to know there are so many of us. Cheers
HB wrote:
“if Jones is working for zionists and protecting them because of that, but not because he doesnt want to be marginalized as anti-semite, how come they are allowing him to attack Rothschilds”
you’re ASSUMING the rothschilds don’t want the kind of attention jones gives them.
yes, they’ve tried to stay out of the mainstream spotlight, but they’ve been out in the open just the same since the early 1800′s. everyone knows who they are: there’s no denying it. so how could jones try to deny it without looking more stupid and controlled than he is now?
in other words, alex did NOT expose the rothschilds, nor does he say one solitary word about them he did not learn from other researchers. he simply plays the same game as others–who really expose them, and he APPEARS to be exposing them.
besides that, I’ve never heard jones refer to the rothschilds as even zionists, let alone jews.
We all have by now familiarized ourselves with the concept of disinformation, and we have also, I hoped, learned not to underestimate our overlords. Bill Cooper was a voice long ago, and when it became apparent that not only could they shut him up, but that people were listening, they figured out a great way to combat it. Now they can reach the audience that searches for truth with Alex Jones, while still feeding what they want us to think. They know we’re the reactionaries, they type of people who search for themselves to find out what the world is about, and are willing to fight for justice. With the advent of the internet, it has become all too easy for us to find sources of information they have not been able to censor yet, so in that stead, they set up a nice loud voice, Bill O’Rielly-style, to agree with our views just enought to make him seem legit, while still forcing our eyes away from the real culprits.
These people did not come into power by being stupid. Don’t take what Bill Cooper, Alex Jones, or even this T.J. guy from Indiana to heart without doing your own research. That’s the lesson.
I’m calling B.S. on this article that makes massive leaps in suggestion and outright ignores facts that contradict its main theme.
Bill Cooper in one of his broadcasts on the moon landings(search for a torrent containing at least three mp3s and the moongate ebook) mentions about how the notion of jews owning the media is a load of crap and remonstrates to the audience that in actuality it those who hold stock in a company who exert any real control.
This article is pure crap. Pure conjecture ,bordering on libel and slander, with nothing but opinion to back it up. Sounds like Cointelpro trying to split the movement so that murderers go free. Alex Jones is one of the key leaders in the TRUTH movement. This article sounds like a nobody preaching against a somebody so they can appear to be a somebody. Pathetic.
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I like going to some of these sites. I decided early on that Alex Jones has some sort of hidden agenda, however, but everybody does, I suppose, and I don’t think a hidden agenda is illegal–yet. I continue to read “Brother” Kapner’s ‘articles’ now and then, but after several careful looks at what he offers, I think he is a front man ( a false flag man, really) for an Israeli intelligence service. He offers an anti-Semitic theme and bitter anti-Semites respond. Whoever he works for then knows who and where they are.
Post #60 just above me. You’re a moron. Truly. The jews admit they control the media. just do some damned research boy! Cooper has been dead (and unfortunately) for quite a number of years (2001 correct?) and I’m certain he would have come up to speed on the fact that they do own and control the media. What century are you living in anyway? The control porn too. They control publishing houses. They control the FED. They control wall street…their power is vast and only a fool would deny it (or an AJ worshiper, or worse yet a Bermas worshiper)
Btw, and if the waronyou admins don’t object, here is a file where Michael Collins Piper discusses Jewish control of the media and names names. It’s tonight’s show:
Michael Collins Piper 12 Aug 2009
http://sharebee.com/f1d238a4
Are you ready to get schooled “Bill Cooper would disagree”?
Great article
I had to read 62 comments, including the LOL no.61 from an obvious shill, to find someone mentioning that “Brother” Nathaniel is NOT a reliable source for “truth.” He’s just more subdued than Jones, and packages his disinfo more palatably. His “sheep’s clothing” has some obvious gaps, and the zionist fur shows through. Otherwise, great article Dean!
To Ken D. Webber:
So are you saing that the Arabs do control Hollywood?
Alex Jones is a ‘key leader’ no doubt with plenty of lemmings like you who follow him. The problem with this ‘leader’ is that he has you all chasing ghosts and the mysterious new world order. He rarely names names and has pointed away his lemmings away from the Israeli/9-11 connection for years. In fact he has pointed you away from Zionist power in general and rather has tried the Bilderberg shtick and WASP stick that is until people could see the real ‘man’ behind the curtain (ie zionists/evil jews). So it turns out your hero is quite a defender of zionists and as a matter of fact is now on XM radio (ran by zionist mel karmzin). Only a fool this late in the game would even want to follow this so-called ‘leader’. Be your owned damned leader for cripes sake! You need a leader? Good God, where are the strong men these days?!
For the record…by evil Jews I do not mean all Jews. Just those demons in power from the FED/Wall Street/Porn/Media/Hollywood/Music industry/ who continue to spread their filth, greed and arrogance everywhere.
“Be your owned damned leader for cripes sake! You need a leader? Good God, where are the strong men these days?!”
exactly! thanks ready4truth. I couldn’t say it any better myself…
A house devided among itself cannot stand. All you need to do is keep on reporting the stories and wwe the public will read and decide who is real or who is fake. I listen to Alex Jones, Stew Webb, Jeff Rense quite a few of them.
I prefere to make my own judgments please!!!!
Interesting discussion. I listen to no shows, just visit the sites. Much of the material presented on these sites is redistributed. I like that much of the most astounding material on Rense is UK mainstream ‘broadsheets’ (Times, Guardian, Independent). I appreciate the service of these sites as a ‘more’ honest cross representation of Events.
I picked this up from Rense and read that site first because on no other site have I ‘regularly-ish’ read material on what I consider to be the biggest pillar of the conspiracy – the law. I understand Jones has gone into the Montana Freemen a little, but the subject of their study and work remains uncovered by the sites under discussion. And Maxwell Jordan/Zeitgiest skims the surface too.
Study Winston Shrout, Robert Arthur Menard and I’m told Sam Kennedy has a show on RBN. The law is a scam to the core and we’re all ruled by it – in our minds. Until you’ve delved into the material and realised it’s implications, only then do you fully realise this is a prison of the mind, our upbringing, our education, media, religion – the Law is the piller – the fifth Estate, the Fifth Rib.
It is an infowar and everything to the foundation of your knowledge and thoughts has to be re-analysed in context. Once you realise quite how deep (primal) the war against your brain is (how many drive unlicenced? Still pay taxes? Drink fluoridated water? Know the difference between a Bill, a Law and a Statute? A Man, a person, a human being and a vessel/corporation) and what needs doing, we’ll quit bitching about each other.
When you study the ‘law’ you realize this is all about responsibility. Did you read the law? If you didn’t then you can’t much complain about how it’s treating you?
In the law there is always ‘remedy’ – a way out. We as slaves (legally most of us are: got a Social/National Insurance/Security Number?) are entitled to find the way out for ourselves by studying the law. It a long winding path and these sites are part of the ‘remedy’ open to all of us, paid for by the conspiracy or not is almost irrelevant.
The NWO/Illuminati has to take humanity willingly, that is the only ‘fair’ there is in this. That doesn’t mean running for the guns or the hills (you’ve become scared their threats are backed by ‘the law’) – it means finding your way out of the matrix/brain prison by yourself; albeit with a little help from people like Rense, Jones, Icke, Jordan , Shrout, etc.
They/We are all part of the ‘remedy’ we have to help each other transcend to ‘their level of thinking’ in order to turn this shit round. We’re playing chess against grandmasters here (I hate to say that), but they’ve been playing this ‘game’ for generations.
In closing, when accosted by an man or woman ‘acting’ as Officer or Agent of a corporation (such as your Government, Police force, Army, etc) remember the following words:
“I acknowledge your contact. I believe I’m entitled to see proof of claim, the written or articulative reason for this detainment, and details of the commercial liability under which you are making this claim.”
Now I understand why each and every one of these words is important, I’m about 1% of my way to achieving my remedy. Good starter: GoogVid ‘Bursting Bubbles of Government Deception’ Chances are there is at least a couple of groups in your town/city studying this – join them.
Alex Jones Quotations
“And I got a lot of friends in Hollywood.”
- Alex Jones
“Hollywood is owned by the Arabs.”
- Alex Jones
“I mean so, the point is, they just own everything. I mean, they control the whole deal.”
- Alex Jones, talking about Arabs
“And the Arabs are the biggest owners now of media in the United States, okay, and over stock exchanges. And in many major U.S. cities they’re the majority owners.”
- Alex Jones
“And certainly Hollywood is, you know, uh, heavily, uh, you know, owned, and, an… has a lot of Jews in it, okay? And certainly the ADL attacks us.”
- Alex Jones
“Now the British are still the biggest owners of raw land, oil, uh, uh, mines, uh, a lot of infrastructure. The British are the most wealthy in the world, that is the elite that’s based there. They’re the ‘King Daddies’.”
- Alex Jones
“I do a real analysis of who actually owns things – it’s the British…the Dutch…then it’s the Arabs…then it’s the French…then it’s the Jews…and then, on down the line.”
- Alex Jones
“Really, from my research, it’s, it’s these Luciferian controllers. It doesn’t matter if it’s Albert Pike, the founder of the Klan/Confederate General, allied with these people, or Adolf Hitler. It’s just an evil crew of individuals.”
- Alex Jones
“Because the European Union is, is, is basically a vessel of Rome. I mean that’s in their founding documents – from the Treaty of Rome. It’s an extension of that empire. You can debate who’s driving it, but you got the last two Popes calling for world government.”
- Alex Jones
“And everybody’s running around talking about ‘Zionists’ all day. Okay, just keep parroting that over and over again.”
- Alex Jones
“You know, I don’t even wanna bash illegal aliens anymore because I realize that’s playing into Balkanization.”
- Alex Jones
“Top black rappers are in the L.A. Times plugging ‘The Obama Deception’.”
- Alex Jones
“God, I don’t care if you’re a Jew, gypsy, Chinese, Mexican…”
- Alex Jones
“God, the people are comin’ together – black, White, Hispanic, Jewish, German, Chinese…doesn’t matter. They’re comin’ together.”
- Alex Jones
“We’re wakin’ people up – black, white, old, young, Jewish, German, Chinese…doesn’t matter…Native American, Mexican. We’re comin’ together.”
- Alex Jones
“But that doesn’t mean Israel carried out the attack.”
- Alex Jones, talking about the 9/11 attacks
“Now, uh, I, have not, you know, jumped on the bandwagon to say that Israel carried out 9/11.”
- Alex Jones, talking about the 9/11 attacks
“Folks, I’ve done the research! Israel could not carry out these attacks. And, and, I, uh again, I’m just saying that on the record. I’m trying to go after who’s guilty. I’ll say who I believe did it, and th…all the evidence shows it. And it’s, it’s, it’s Dick Cheney ‘n it’s people above him.”
- Alex Jones, talking about the 9/11 attacks
“Well, I mean, it’s not true. People can say I’m a 14 foot tall blood-drink…blood-drinking reptoid, but it’s not true. ‘What do you say about those that say you’re handled by Zionists?’. Well, number one, it’s not true. But number two, I do have Jewish friends, which people do grab and use…and I think that’s really anti-Semitism. And if that makes me a Zionist-handled creature, then guilty as charged.”
- Alex Jones, in response to the question that he has Zionist handlers
“And I also have experienced them saying I’m Jewish. ‘Jones’, uh…they claim, i…is a Jewish name. I mean…I mean I’m Welsh. You know…you know my family, uh…is…are founders of Texas. Ah, but there’s nothing wrong with being Jewish, if I was. So it’s very, very annoying – they say ‘Jones is a Jew’. You know, uh…uh…uh…you know…an…all of this stuff…and that I work for Israel.”
- Alex Jones
“Every time we look, they’re killing Jews.”
- Alex Jones
“Why? Why are they always wanting to kill Jews?”
- Alex Jones
“You know, it, it’s a religion to, to bash Jews, and I’m just not gonna take part in it.”
- Alex Jones
“And I certainly don’t like the white supremacists and those whose religion is hating the Jews, period.”
- Alex Jones
“The Jew haters and white supremacists…all they do is fight with each other all day too.”
- Alex Jones
“And I fount out…again, a lot of the Zionist organizations are covertly funding white supremacists.”
- Alex Jones
“I’m saying…I don’t wanna be anywhere near the white supremacists…but not even them so much…just the Jew-haters, uh, are, are just the most mentally ill, lying freaks!”
- Alex Jones
“There are a bunch of people who worship Adolf Hitler who don’t like me because I don’t think Jews have 14 inch fangs and drink blood and sneak around in bushes.”
- Alex Jones
“And, you know, the anti-Semites, they first said, ‘Oh, well we’re not against Jews. We’re against Zionists’. But now they’ll tell you everywhere, ‘It’s Jews. Jews are evil. Arrest ‘em. Get ‘em.’ And you know, that’s a load of bull. 98% of Jews out there don’t know about the New World Order.”
- Alex Jones
“It’s…it’s easy to have some little bitty website and use a fake name and sit there and…you know…talk bad about Jews all day and enjoy yourselves…uh, you know…getting your kicks ’cause you live in, you know…a…a one room apartment and your mad at life or whatever and wanna blame us…you know.”
- Alex Jones
“Because I know I’m for real, ya know. I know I’ve got my integrity. I know I try every day to be a moral, upstanding person. And I try to not hurt people’s feelings either.”
- Alex Jones
Touche Z.O.G.!
Let’s put it all togther.
he has plenty of Hollywood friends…but…the Arabs control hollywood. Verdict: shift the blame
9-11: It’s dick cheney and people above him…(every watched Missing Links Jonestein?) Verdict: shifting the blame
Bashing Jews is a religion? Well than is bashing the NWO and WASPS a religion too? Is it always whities fault? That seems to be a religion these days. Verdict: shift the blame
If you’re critical of evil Jewish leadership/Zionists than according to Jones you are a ‘jew-hater’. Everyone else is fair game. Doesn’t matter the color of the person. Verdict: shift the blame, talk about anyone BUT THEM.
Jones blamed Johnson for the USS Liberty exclusively and I even have a video where he said and paraphrasing “I don’t even blame Israel” Verdict: shifting the blame
I could go on and on…anyone starting to see a pattern here?
Alex Jones’ Jewish Advertizers
http://theinfounderground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5900
Proof that Alex Jones’ Wife is Jewish
http://theinfounderground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5878
Alex Jones Qualifies for Israeli Citizenship
http://theinfounderground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=6088
Alex Jones is Now being Broadcast on Sirius XM Radio
http://theinfounderground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=6327
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/9233/newalex.jpg
Waronyou was mentioned on theinfounderground.com show with Ognir and Daryl Bradford Smith. Good work waronyou!
http://theinfounderground.com/archives/TiU.Radio.13th.Aug.09.guest.DBS.Pure.Play.mp3
this file was posted on the Conspiracy Central tracker as well:
http://tracker.conspiracycentral.net/download.php?id=9044&name=TiU.Radio.13th.Aug.09.guest.DBS.Pure.Play.mp3.torrent
Its a big honor to be on the Info Underground show. I joined the forums and will personally thank them. I believe that’s our first radio mention.
I’m in at about 20 minutes of the show and they share the same opinions as most of us. As far as their opinion of Jones I agree with every word. The majority of the cult members are newbies. The ones who been supporting him overtime have to be complacent in the controlled opposition plan. I followed lightly for a few years. Once I looked hard at the facts and the players. I realized he was a con. There right about he wont do anything to stop whats happening. His stupid Joker campaign is proof. Thats what he does with the power he held. Now you know why its in his hands.
Wow what an article full of misleading opinions, attacks, and zero provable facts. Just false accusations and jumping to conclusions, along with some good old fashioned good-cop, bad-cop tactics. Another pathetic attempt to discredit Alex.
You do realize that his show is on the airwaves and not just some private radio show. He gets out what he can and does a damn good job of it. All the while, his critics sit home on their fat arses at their computer typing bs all day, doing nothing even close to Alex in terms of making a difference.
Hey John L.: Why don’t you explain yourself than. The burden of proof is on you to set us straight since you say there are no ‘provable facts’.
Your hero and LEADER, Jonestein, is being called into question because of his reluctance to expose zionism. I have heard him do entire shows on Bush/Cheney/Freemasonry/Bilderberg/Bohemian Grove etc., but NEVER, EVER have I heard him do ONE show on Zionism. Please refer to Z.O.G’s 75 thru 81 for reference. Of course a Jonestein lemming will deny anything that is said about their savior. His cult of personality fans and groupies are quite frankly shocking to me as they are more attracted to his personality than they are the truth.
Proof of that? Mention zionists/evil jewish or mention the fact that your an anti-zionist and Jonestein will pull out the old canards (that you have been pre-programmed to accept) such as ‘anti-semite’ or ‘joo-hater’. Jones calls anti-zionists these names. He does everything in his power to water down the anti-z’s which only further fractures the ‘twoof movement’, which is one of the main points the author is trying to make.
You so-called truthers kill me anyway…mention ‘evil jooish leaderhip’ or zionism, or question the holocaust and you ‘twoofers’ flip out. I see only the AJ truth matters most to you. He is you “OUR LEADER”. Be your own leader.
Waronyou and it’s members including Brandon Dean of course: Please feel free to drop by TIU at any time as we are all about making allies in this fight, and we will likewise drop by your fine site.
Our fine member maz dropped your link at our forum which is why I am here:
http://theinfounderground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=6984
Keep up the great work as while there is plenty of work to do, but we must expose the shills in the movement who are unwilling to go the distance. It’s an unpopular thing to do, but who the hell is in this fight for popularity? I personally am it to stay true to the truth and ulitmately one day hope that all the criminals are arrested and the good strong moral leaders are in their place. It’s a tall order but I dream big.
-Rockclimber (Scott) member/modertor (of several) at TIU.
thanks rockclimber – I’ll be registering over there. I’ve checked out the site before. my personal site is http://www.wizardofoswald.com. the forums are new. feel free to sign up.
thanks for the link to the radio show. ognir’s great…
john L said:
“Wow what an article full of misleading opinions, attacks, and zero provable facts. Just false accusations and jumping to conclusions, along with some good old fashioned good-cop, bad-cop tactics. Another pathetic attempt to discredit Alex.”
zero provable facts? how about the words “ARABS OWN HOLLYWOOD” coming straight out of AJ’s mouth? that’s not backing up what I’m saying?
what about displaying the freaking AUDIO OF PHALLUX JONES CLAIMING HE PREDICTED 911 WHEN IT WAS BILL COOPER? I take it that’s not proof in your book. the time stamp on the video doesn’t do it for you huh?
do you want proof of him being let into Bohemian Grove? all you have to do is watch the god damn video. notice how they show him “sneaking” around the outside, and then they cut to something else, then cut back and bingo! phallux jones is inside the grove. don’t you think the most exciting part of the WHOLE VIDEO would have been the part showing them sneaking in? sorry – they walked in the main gate.
if you need proof of phallux jones begging for people to call in to the show, you’re gonna have to search through his archives, but it most certainly happened.
I mean, what did I say that’s unsubstantiated? NOTHING. you may not have the same opinion as me, and I could care less what your opinion is, but facts are FACTS.
FACT 1: PHALLUX JONES’ CAREER SKYROCKETED AFTER BILL’S DEATH.
FACT 2: PHALLUX JONES REPEATEDLY HANGS UP ON CALLERS WHO DISAGREE WITH HIM.
FACT 3: PHALLUX JONES’ WEBSITES ALL HAVE ADVERTISING POLICIES WHICH EXPLICITLY STATE HE WILL ATTEMPT TO FOOL THE PUBLIC BY POSTING ADS THAT LOOK LIKE ARTICLES.
now again – where is the discrepancy between my article and reality? everything I said about jones is TRUE. you just don’t agree with my summary and my perspective, because you want to “lick” phallux’s “boots”–if I have his phrase correct.
come on over to the side of the force, my friend. phallux jones and his empire are out of date. I could have written this article years ago, because I’ve felt this way for years, but I only wrote it when the issue was blown wide open by BERMAS, not by me, or kapner, or anyone else. we are simply observing reality.
it’d be nice to have people with the fervor of phallux jones acolytes come over to the side of TRUTH.
ALEX JONES DOES NO GOOD. HE DOES NOT SPREAD ANY “INFO” THAT HASN’T BEEN “SPREAD” BY SOMEONE ELSE.
the only good thing about jones I keep hearing is that he “spreads good information.” NO HE DOESN’T. HE DISSEMINATES GOOD INFO, and “spreads” it after it has been homogenized for his “cointelpro” audience. he spices it up with emotional rants, and that is what draws in his audiences.
what shill hasn’t played off of others’ emotions?
oh, and one other thing: you know all those millions of times that phallux jones says something to the affect of: “you know, I’m not just pulling your chain here–I have a stack of articles in front of me [queue shuffling stack of papers in the background] that all say the same thing”. how many times have you heard him say that? well, there is no stack of articles. he’s just LYING to support his argument, whatever it happens to be.
Looks like Rense.com posted your editorial:
ctrl f Separating The Mice From The Men
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Jones is a fraud that is true, but don’t get caught up in the globalist spoonbender Rense website either…….
Rense is a flake as well.
Brandon,
Why did you leave out this video?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDiqfFJP6ds
It’s one of the most damning videos against Alex Jones you can find! Please modify your article and add it so others see it.
BRILLIANT ARTICLE! THANK YOU!!!
MIke
Some of that was covered in a video, the rest well that’s just Alex being the microphone tough guy he is.
It is all an illusion…don’t get lost in the maya….Rense, Jones, all of it is speculative opinion based loosely on unprovable theory…what is real is you. what you think, how you feel, like Bill Hicks said, there are all these god damned depressing news stories and i open my window and hear only crickets chirping…it’s all a bunch of bullshit…live your lives and stop consuming the horseshit being handed down from on high by jones, rense or any other expert of nothing but hypotheticals concerning the maya. Figure yourself out from the inside out not the outside in then you become the leader of your own truth movement…the truth of yourself…we are all light period…
You are controlled opposition yourself. You point out Zionism as the main problem, which is false. In the same way Jones puts the blame on the mysterious “Illuminati”, you are putting the blame on Zionism and at the same time you are making the “true” Jews look innocent, which is another level of deception.
The problem is Judaism. I challenge you to study Judaism’s holiest books.
Just a word. World’s problems: US, Pentagon, Israel, Britain, propaganda, European Slavish tape my mouth shutters, and Mideast money grubbing Zio KowTowers (Egypt, Arabia, various also rans). I would also like to say the Fourth building of the WTC attack is now defined as a thermobaric bomb blast. See Chris Bollyn’s article and also Google images of the astounding damage to the Inside of the building. It is definately a bomb blast. This should be the final nail in the coffin of the Pentagon Propaganda Story of flying Arabs. QED. Thankyou for discussing real issues. I gues Alex has something to add, as do we all. Peace.
Anybody who says that “Nazis” and “Germanic Death Cults” run the world is obviously a lying fraud of the highest order.
This is the kind of garbage that Alex Jones promotes.
Alex Jones has so many Jewish connections that I had to make a list just to keep track of them all! That’s how many Jewish connections this guy has.
Come on now guys. AJ may be a loud mouthed egoist and I agree he does seem to tread on egg shells when it comes to Zionism, but he has done more to fight the NWO than everyone else put together. No one else even comes close. To argue against this is insane. Most of the people reading this would never even have heard of the NWO if it were not for AJ.
That Brother Nathaniel is obviously really screwed up in the head which is a real shame as there are several issues that the Zionists need to be called to account over. But by the time Brother N has finished he has turned the whole issue into a bad joke. Any merit his accusations have is lost in a sea of ridiculous anti-semitism that only the most feeble minded could take seriously.
I am surprised that Jeff Rense has not had the courage to clear up this mess rather than adding fuel to the fire and making matters worse. Its so childish to insist everyone agree 100%. Jones and Rense agree on so much if they cant sort out this situation then they really can only blame themselves.
“Germanic Death Cults” “soupy dead children” “Arabs Run Hollywood” classic AJ quotes.
steve said:
“…he has done more to fight the NWO than everyone else put together. No one else even comes close. To argue against this is insane. Most of the people reading this would never even have heard of the NWO if it were not for AJ.”
you’re absolutely correct: phallux jones is here to fight the “new world order” – not fight for truth. and you may be right – he may have done more to fight this elusive “new world order” than anyone else, because the others were focusing on the TRUTH rather than imagining a group of occult fiends who could never be found.or held to account for their crimes…
“Most of the people reading this would never even have heard of the NWO if it were not for AJ”
quite a baseless assumption, which proves you live in a little bubble created by phallux jones. jones himself only knows about the “NWO” because he listened to people like Jim Marrs and William Cooper. Jones is a liar and a circus freak show announcer.
I guess you think it was just “luck” that got jones through the gate at bohemian grove, too, huh?
maybe Jones should fight for truth rather than fighting this “new world order?”
maybe you should learn a little something about the term “new world order.” it’s been used since Roman times, and it has been picked up on by modern researchers because of the dollar bill and a few speeches by zionist front men in our government. and-oh my god!-hitler’s book was called the “new order.”
hell, there was even an 80′s band called New Order. I guess they were in on it too…
“new world order” in my opinion has been mostly used by those wishing to avoid the term “zionism.” I’m not saying it is invalid as a description of the powers-that-be; I’m saying it doesn’t point to anyone in particular, beyond a vague and ever-changing group of politicians and corporate heads. Whereas a zionist is a zionist–they admit to it and defend it. it is their lives. I have yet to hear a politician do anything besides mention the NWO, let alone try and defend it as a lifestyle. when someone defends criminality and evil as their lifestyle–well, you then have someone at whom to point a finger of blame.
and what has phallux jones really done to fight the powers that be anyhow?
lots of people bullhorn politicians – he just makes movies out of it.
he makes huge profits from DVD sales, internet subscriptions, ads, etc, to the point where it is obviously a business for him, or something worse…
he doesn’t do a damn thing besides report things others have researched, and then turn them into emotional rants, meant to keep people coming back the next day, JUST LIKE MAINSTREAM MEDIA.
As long as we, the people, accept this GAME of “Important ” ORGANISATIONS being the ONE and MOST important factor DIRECTING all the rest of human activities, Humanity is playing INTO THE HANDS of the CROOKS, continuing this Russian Roulette with our very own existence!…. CALL a SPADE a SPADE!
SELFISH PRICKS NEED to be CROOKS in order to be/remain SELFISH (Little Pricks!) It is never the “Who” – “question” that makes a Crook a crook. It is HIS / her ACTIONS / BEHAVIOR; the RIGGED GAME they’ve set up for the rest of us!….. they know, that humans seem to have a “soft spot” for any kind of “Organisation (“Cult”, “Religion”, “Rase”, Ethnicity” etc. etc –as if the Org had a lot of AUTHORITY just because of its sheer existence!
It has the power over us proportionate to our own need of outer –as if that would guarantee– “Objective” “Authority!”
STOP GIVING THESE Motha F—-as ANY CREDENCE!…. they are –at heart– only ONE thing: SELFISH PRICKS ,STEALING FROM YOU!…. to your very bone/s if “needed” by their seriously injured , hence SICK, personality!…. If / When directly confronted (by them) Don’t even question them, but let them know that you have already seen through their Cry Wolf-Boy Routine and you think it tis high time for these motha f—as to get real and grow up! ( The thing that makes these Orgs handy to them is that their offspring and overall generations to follow doesn’t need to invent Official/Important sounding Authority( Officially called: “Power” /”Elite” Orgs!…I) t is already done!….All they need to do is to choose the one behind whose apron folds they want to hang and hide!…or remain in –if born into a family that has already made it a TRADITION (to follow — or move away from “AT ONE’s OWN RISK”…. this is why kids follow so willingly!…) )
First I would like to point out that the spirit of rebellion against oppression is evident in places as far as South Africa [ not a "country" but in fact a macro State ] with the long running Boer Republican movement which ALSO has long fought against the British Crown & also struggled against the Dutch power prior & had struggled against the Afrikaner establishment during the 20th cent & is now still struggling under the new neo Colonial surrogate regime which acts on behalf of the same old British financial power which never quite left the region.
The attack on Alex Jones is most bizarre considering that due to his numerous projects & constant activity he is one of those who has done a lot to inform the public & get the truth out concerning a wide range of issues. It appears that your dislike of him [ which is bizarre considering your admission to listening to his radio show! ] stems entirely from the assertion that Jones does not expose the Zionists enough. For one thing let’s remember that he DOES in fact expose the Zionists & is certainly no fan of regimes of Israel nor of the Zionist influence on America BUT one thing which you conveniently forget is that it is TOXIC for anyone to continue to publicly harp on the control of the Zionists without exposing oneself to severe consequences & dangerous but false labels & more to the point if Jones constantly attacked Zionists he would never reach as many people he has because one thing you forget is that people are turned off by anything which remotely resembles “antisemitism” despite the fact that [ as Jeff Rense correctly points out ] anti Zionism is not antisemitism. Despite also the fact that most modern Jews are not even Semites. The inherent problem [ & the big elephant in the room ] is that Jones & the declassified government documents & deleterious agendas he tries to inform the public about would be totally marginalized & “discredited” if he were to make this a crusade solely against the Zionists because then he would be incorrectly perceived as “antisemitic”! Thus put in the same category as David Duke. Just look at how he STILL has to struggle to prevent from being labeled as such even though he has tried to articulate that he is not opposed to just ONE group but ALL groups espousing global enslavement.
Then you assert that Jones “claimed” that he was the “father of the truth movement” when he has NEVER done any such thing. It was the PRESS & OTHERS who claimed that he was the “father” of the truth movement due only to his PERCEIVED prominence or perhaps this meme was a clever ploy by the intelligence communities to label him as such with the hope that it would divide the truth movement further. Looks like their ploy worked if in fact they were the ones behind it which they must have been because we know that it was the press which gave him the label & we know that intelligence agencies are behind the press.
Then you promote what can only be described as an unsubstantiated conspiracy theory when you assert without providing a single shred of evidence [ at least Jones provides the government's own documents to back up his reports ] that he was “allowed” to sneak into the Bohemian Grove when in fact he was not the first & was almost caught more than once during the year he went.
Then you blatantly lie when you erroneously assert that he is obsequious to his radio guests when in fact this is a commonly known ploy on his part to get them ON the show then once they are there he RIPS his guests apart. Just look at what he did to David Rothschild / Ann Coulter & Peter Joseph the producer of the Zeitgeist movies! He used this common ploy of kissing up to them then suddenly unleashes his typical loud animated guttural rant / responses to them! Two of those guests actually hung up on him! One can only wonder at your motive for deliberately misrepresenting Jones in this manner when it is common knowledge [ especially for a person who claims to listen to his show as you claimed ] that Jones employs this technique on the guests he does not like. This technique is very similar to the one used by the argumentative & hard hitting partisan hosts of the Right Perspective radio program in which they will be courteous to those guests they might not like then turn on them “exposing” their guests who have ALSO hung up on the program once the hosts unleash their “fury” upon the guests.
The following paragraph [ paragraph 11 in the article ] from your article was pure conjecture because you are only making unsubstantiated accusations without providing any third party hard evidence to support the claims made therein.
Furthermore why do you play favourites with Rense when he has ALSO long been just as recklessly accused of being a Zionist plant aimed at distracting the truth movement with “laughable” investigations into “pseudo-science” etc.
Now if you are going to make baseless accusations based on such scant to no evidence & then throw in the LIE that Jones’ wife is Jewish – which she is not – [ so much for fact checking ] then I would say it is then fair game to point out that this Father Nathaniel Kapner is a Jew [ who just conveniently happened to convert to Christianity ( Maranno? ) ] & that Jeff Rense is ALSO accused of being Jewish or of having Jewish lineage. But for some strange reason you only attack Jones for his erroneous “Jewish” connections but hear nothing from you concerning the longer running Jewish rumours of the others? Looks like this article is just yet another Jones attack / hit piece which AGAIN offers no evidence to even support the BOLD claims made. What a joke to refer to the supposed Father Kapner when he is far more fitting as a Zionist mole than any of the aforementioned. Go look into the story of Frank Collin for comparison.
Then you ridiculously openly imply that Jones had Cooper killed! While Bill Cooper also did a lot to get the truth out – let’s not forget that he also asserted that the driver killed John Kennedy & supported the Aliens Run the Government hypothesis! Then you claim Jones “obviously listened” to Cooper’s show when you have no evidence that he ever did. Therefore once again you are only promoting pure conjecture not proven fact. Furthermore the Web Bot Project predicted 9/11 before both Alex Jones & Bill Cooper. Look it up. Perhaps Cooper stole the “intel” of the Web Bot Project analysis. This unsubstantiated claim is just as plausible as your unsubstantiated claim because the Web Bot Project analysis came out months BEFORE Cooper made his prediction.
Furthermore your holding up of Cooper as an incorruptible model is a pure joke because even he stated publicly that he does not believe that Jews are the power. Though just like Jones & Rense – Cooper distinguished between Zionists & Jews but for some bizarre reason you openly imply that when Jones does this that he is protecting the Zionists yet your hero Cooper did exactly the same thing.
Then you purposely sow confusion over Zionism & the Germanic Death Cults when in point of fact they are all one & the same!!!!! The Teutonic Zionists are behind BOTH the Zionists & the Germanic Death Cults of which the Skull & Bones is but one of the American arms of the Germanic Death Cult.
No. Not “at some point in the future” All these groups ALREADY agree in implementing a world government. There of course is total cohesion between the various New World Order groups as they all agree on the fundamentals for global oppressive government.
Jones noted that the Arabs control the majority financial share of Hollywood. Not that they control Hollywood in a cultural or political context. Two very different things but I see you are hard at work distorting Jones once again. Furthermore the very Arabs he speaks of are probably just Donmeh / krypto Jews like the folks who run Saudi Arabia.
This whole article smacks of COINTELPRO because you run around making erroneous & baseless accusations without providing any evidence whatsoever while only achieving what the controllers would most want which is to divide the truth movement even further instead of doing what you hero Jeff Rense has done which is to put all of this petty squabbling behind until the New World Order is overthrown. Then after that has been done then we can try to start to identify just who is ultimately behind it because one thing is clear the Zionists & the Germanic Death Cults are definitely fronts for those who pull the strings of humanity & direct their enslavement through these artificial groups.
You wasted a lot of effort in that response. 99 out of 100 people in the truth movement know Jones is a fraud. The evidence is his own words and flawed research. If he exposed Zionism he wouldnt be popular? Doesnt seem to matter to people like Rense, Cooper, even Marrs. Why is he the only one who refuses to say something? Jones is the instigator! If anyone spoke to me the way he speaks to guest on his show I would break there neck.
Alex Jones is the front for those who pull strings. You should read the 25 rules of disinformation and see where your boy is.
Jones and Bermas cut callers off when they try to mention anything about zionism. He then tells you there opinion and why there calling. Even tells them how to kill themselves.
[...] the Zionists and Israel and analyze the Holocaust.” —James deJuste II, commenter on WarOnYou.com’s post of “Fractures in the Truth Movement” part [...]
Responder, you are a LIAR. Alex Jones’ wife IS Jewish. I’m the person who found the proof. Here’s the link:
http://theinfounderground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5878
Z.O.G. The problem here is that your source does not confirm that she is Jewish but simply PRESUMES that she is due to her disclosed PARTIAL Jewish heritage. Remember: Alex Jones HIMSELF was the first one to “disclose” the fact that his wife was PARTIALLY of Jewish heritage BUT then you & others automatically presume that just because of this that she is a practicing Jew when in reality she is a Christian. This is tantamount to calling someone a Buddhist just because one of their grand parents or even parents was a Buddhist. Or even of calling someone a Scot just because one of their grand parents was a Scot.
War on you. I do not mean to imply that Jones would not be popular if he was talking about Zionists more BUT that he would be HINDERED in reaching more people because as I pointed out: people get turned off quite fast to someone if they think he is an “anti Semite”. This is just the cold hard reality we have to deal with. It’s bad enough that many people will not listen to the truth concerning 9/11 because of its erroneous conflation with “antisemitism” as propelled in the major press. Jones tries to tone down his talk about Zionists because he knows that this turns people off to facts which they would not likely here in many other places.
Jones is not “my boy” BUT I do however recognize the significance of his output as he is one of those who has done the MOST to wake people up. Jeff Rense / David Icke & Jon Rappoport being among others. I also do not care for Jones’ over the top theatrics BUT considering how close to the endgame [ no pun intended ] we are I suppose we should not begrudge his outbursts because there is not much time left [ another major false flag is likely to hit in September ] to wake the people up & turn this thing around. I am no fan of Jason Bermas. If I was not already awake to the fact that 9/11 was an inside job – his & Avery’s Loose Change movie would have turned me off from investigating the matter due to its condescending tone. I think we have got to look at the BIG picture here. Jones – nor the others – is not perfect & we can complain all day about how this one does not talk about this or that as much as we would like BUT at the end of the day the only thing which matters is getting the truth out concerning the agenda to implement global tyranny or global fascism. I fail to understand how Jones could possibly be helping the Zionists at all when he spends all day railing against their agenda of tyranny & oppression. I think you fail to see the forest for the trees or the big picture because Jones does not even have to mention Zionists & STILL be able to DEFEAT them because he exposes their apparatus of control. Were would the Zionists be without the New World Order which Jones opposes to the fullest he can.
No, you’re wrong again, Responder, you dumbass. You’re a deliberate liar and obfuscator. I wouldn’t be surprised if you’re an employee of Alex Jones.
Both of Alex Jones’ wife’s maternal grandparents are confirmed Jewish. They are both buried in a Jewish cemetery. The proof is in that link that I already posted. There are screen captures from the genealogy website Ancestry.com that PROVE that both of her maternal grandparents are buried in a Jewish cemetery. Her maternal grandparents’ names are Haskell Heiligman and Velma Ruth Heiligman(nee Lattimer).
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No I am not an employee of Alex Jones & I am not denying the
confirmed fact that his wife has Jewish ANCESTRY just like I have
French Huguenot / Boer ancestry but that does not make me a
Frenchman nor even a Boer now does it. Remember: the debate here is
not whether she has partial Jewish roots but rather that she might
still be a practicing Jew & worse a Zionist double agent. What
you keep on doing is inferring that just because she has some
Jewish ancestors that she is “automatically” a practicing Jew when
in reality her ancestors have long since been assimilated into the
Christian Protestant folks. What you are doing is automatically
presuming that she is a Jew based solely on some of her ancestors.
Look even Jeff Rense is documented to have partial Jewish ancestors
but you only attack Jones & his wife. Why is that? This is a
total straw man argument because accusing someone of being a Jew
just because they might have some Jewish ancestors is ridiculous as
it negates the fact of assimilation & estrangement of said
Jewish identity / culture & religion. Just look at how
Americans are a composite of diverse ethnic origins & few would
ever call folks with German surnames “Germans” because those German
ancestors have long since assimilated into American culture &
have intermarried with American folk.
For whatever reason what you appear to forget is that those Jewish
ancestors of hers assimilated & intermarried with Protestant
Americans thereby producing offspring who were no longer Jews as
they had become assimilated into the surrounding Protestant culture
& folk. I have not yet seen any evidence to date that she is a
practicing Jew or a Zionist double agent – which of course is the
true accusation. The fact is all I ever see from you is an a priori
or faulty argument based on the one dimensional equation of Partial
Jewish ancestors = Practicing Jew. To prove that someone is a Jew -
it takes more than partial Jewish ancestors but documented prof
that the person in question is still a practicing Jew who was never
assimilated into the surrounding Christian Protestant population.
you make some good points, responder, but I feel the need to point
out that you are neglecting the degrading of society caused by
secular jews assimilating in protestant culture. surely a large
percentage of those still consider themselves jewish, but are not
practicing religious jews? I actually know this because my great
grandmother was one of them, and because I grew up with many jewish
friends who were raised in culturally jewish, but secular
households. they went through their coming of age ceremonies and
their yom kippurs and never really cared about the specifics, but
only for the sense of culture. are these people not jews according
to your definitions? surely they are just as jewish as most
“christians” I have met. I wrote this article, and my great
grandmother was a secular jew. you’re correct that this does not
make me a jew (I grew up in a christian household anyhow). but this
does not negate the possibility that those with jewish ancestry do
consider themselves jewish. I don’t know whether kelly jones is
jewish or not, and I don’t care. I am watching her ACTIONS, not her
heritage. we can gain hints from watching someone’s heritage, but
even if we knew for sure that she was jewish, that doesn’t prove
anything anyway besides that she’s jewish. there are a lot of good
people who consider themselves jewish, religious and not. most
religious jews have no clue about israeli atrocities or zionist
history, just like everyone else. there are vast communities of
orthodox jews who believe israel should be dismantled. there are
even organizations of them, like neturei karta (nkusa.org). I guess
my point is that the jones’ behavior spells out their motives.
kelly is alex’ attack dog, and alex plays the part of the good
christian. while paying lip service to criticizing israel for their
genocide (jewish man created the term) in palestine, he blames the
world’s woes on a “germanic death cult” and claims the “arabs own
hollywood.” to me, although there is plenty, there is no need for
further proof of who he answers to, one way or the other. and being
that his wife is so involved with the business aspect of alex
jones’ life, that makes her a party to his crimes.
I personally like Alex Jones style and could care less if he makes a profit off of patriots like myself or not. What difference does it make. I’d rather have him take my money than Ford or Rockefeller anyday. For goodness sakes, he gives his films away for free for the most part and advertises great products. His Prisonplanet subscription is great for him and me. He’s probably one of the most knowledgable and articulate men on these subjects and has an uncanny ability to lay it out in “rapid fire” style. I think it is ridiculous that people would call him controlled opposition. And by the way, you should thank you lucky stars that Midas does make a lot of money. They are one of the main contributors to Ron Paul. I am very glad you people are awake to the NWO. But I think a lot of you are reading too much into things. This movement has a bent or tendency to have some of its members lean towards paranoia or overanalyzing things. And sorry to say… I do think that the little green horned monster of jealosy raises its ugly head even in this camp. I really haven’t heard any compelling argument hear nor have I heard anything “off” from Alex that would lead me to believe that he is a schill, patsy, or operative. I have a tendency to believe, and I hope it changes, that many in the “truth” movement are late 20 somethings still living in the basement of their parents house who, although they have a part of the truth, are unable to deal with conflict and controversy among brethren. In short, most of these types are still immature. I really do hope this changes. Lastly, even Paul the Apostle, who by the way was a Jew and served Christ who was born a Jew, told his followers not to get upset at those who were selling Christ for a profit. To Paul, these men were on his side, though their motive be for evil. I think its good to point out real schills, patsies, and operatives. But even if you think Alex Jones is doing this for nothing but profit I would encourage you to fire your arrows at someone else like Glenn Beck or Hannity. Alex Jones has woken up more people than many of you will in a lifetime. If you’re not grateful for that then you might want to check to see if you have the jealosy bug.